Re: Is one-handed electrical shock possible?

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
My comment is 22 nF is an awful lot of stray capacitance. If I were in my screen room and wearing thin soled shoes standing on grounded metal sheet I could see it, but not in a home environment where there is a large separation between every part of my body and ground. > From: Ron Pickard > Date

Re: Is one-handed electrical shock possible?

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
The salt content makes the body a good conductor, but there still has to be a return path to ground. The mains wiring is a good conductor too but you don't get current flow until you plug in a load... > From: "Dan Anchondo" > Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:12:38 -0800 > To: > Subject: RE: Is one-hand

RE: Is one-handed electrical shock possible?

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Ken, Interesting that you say "I suspect just about anyone living in the civilized world in the latter half of the 20th or beginning of the 21st century has at one time or other experienced a one-handed shock." I took an informal survey a number of years ago was amazed to discover that although 10

Re: Is one-handed electrical shock possible?

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Hi Ken, As with you and Gary and I'm fairly sure with just about everyone else on this list, I've had some experiences, too. However, I won't share any of them, but suffice it to say as Gary so eloquently relayed it "Stupid is as stupid does". You can draw your own pictures. IMHO, the main resist

RE: Is one-handed electrical shock possible?

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
All Could it be possible that the body becomes a pseudo-ground termination and the current flows because there is "work" (burning,di-fibrillation) because of our salt content?. Dan From: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Thursda

Re: Is one-handed electrical shock possible?

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
There have been a great many anecdotal tales submitted, and I could add my own hair-raising adventures. I suspect just about anyone living in the civilized world in the latter half of the 20th or beginning of the 21st century has at one time or other experienced a one-handed shock. So the possibi

RE: RFID for Australia

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Bob, Yes, such a device is covered by AS/NZS 4268. No an ETSI 300 330 report would not necessarily be acceptable. AS/NZS 4268 sets the limits but references ETSI 300 330-1 V1.3.2 for the "method of measurement" against those limits. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance

RE: Is one-handed electrical shock possible?

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
I didn't want to admit this, but I managed to give myself a one handed shock from the outlet I was wiring (2 actually before I got mad enough to stop doing it). I was wiring in some new outlets in my basement. Started from the physically farthest not yet powered outlet working my way back t

RE: Is one-handed electrical shock possible?

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
An anecdote: My eldest daughter, at an early age, did place a conductor in a 120V outlet at her grandparents home. As a result of the shock she received, she stopped breathing. Fortunately, my father-in-law was nearby and was able to restart her breathing by only shaking her. If someone were no

Re: Radiated Emissions - Oscillator issue

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Carl Richards posted: >> Before I rush off back to development, I wondered if anyone in the group had any advice about implementing small areas of ground plane directly underneath oscillators ? I'm going to request upper and lower ground planes with via stitching between them and our internal groun

Re: Cell calibration by EN61000-4-3:2002

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Peter wrote: >> standard requires that a field at each point in a 0.5m matrix be within 6 dB of an empirically identified reference node - except: CONCESSION 1 On p14, Note 2 says that "calibration requirements are fulfilled if a maximum of 3% of the frequencies does not meet the 6dB criterion b

Radiated Emissions - Oscillator issue

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Dear Group, We're working on a next Rev of board on our system and we're having a problem with a 66MHz oscillator during radiated emissions testing. The board slides vertically into a shelf(aka the card cage). The solder side of the board is approx 1/4" from a plated steel vertical which is one of

Re: path attenuation in AM band

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
George: The formula you have, for free space attenuation due to geometrical spreading, is NOT applicable to the MW AM broadcast band. For quick answers, without making a life's study of propagation, go to the Reference Data for Radio Engineers or similar handbook (old ones were ITT, new ones are

path attenuation in AM band

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Hi Folks, I have an equation for the attenuation of a radiated signal as a function of (distance, frequency, and environment.) ATTN = 37 + 20 Log (Freq) + 20 Log (Dist), Freq is in MHz, Distance in Miles, Environment is free-space/line-of-sight (N=2). My information is that this equ

Re: path attenuation in AM band

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
In article <39487820b7d1bda1190dd62ec2082a2541af6...@watchguard.com>, George Stults writes >I have an equation for the attenuation of a radiated signal as a >function of (distance, frequency, and environment.) > > > >ATTN = 37 + 20 Log (Freq) + 20 Log (Dist), Freq is in MHz, >Dis

RE: path attenuation in AM band

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
George, this formula is valid only for free space propagation but it is correct for all frequencies. The 20LOG(Freq) part takes care of the fact that the capture area of the receiver antenna decreases as 20LOGF. As you know, there is not really a difference in path loss as frequency is increased.

Re: path attenuation in AM band

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
If that equation were just attenuation over distance, there would be no frequency factor, or at least the attenuation would not be directly proportional to frequency. So the equation is somehow taking into account antenna characteristics (i.e., it is not attenuation, but path loss, quite different

Medical Device Registration in Russia

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Could anyone provide information regarding the registration process for Medical Devices in Russia? Regards, Jim Purdie Medical Graphics This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list

RE: Bantam Connectors Isolation

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Hello Dino, I think you pose an interesting question. I think the best way to approach it is from a historical and safety perspective. First from a historical perspective. The UL 60950 test level of 1000Vrms is actually extremely conservative assuming the equipment is protected by primary surg

Automotive EMC Directive

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Would like to thank those who replied on the "subject matter" I will be following up with the information provided. If anyone else has any further information please pass it in. Best Regards: Kevin Kevin Keegan Senior Associate KES & Associates 1 Stonecroft Terrace Kanata, Ontario Canada K2K 2V1

RFID for Australia

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Can anyone tell me if RFID devices (13.56 MHz, low power) are covered by AN/NZS 4268 (Short Range Devices)? Also, will a test report from a Nationally recognized test lab done to ETSI 300 330 acceptable for Australia? Thanks, Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651

FW: New EMC Directive

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
All FYI >From Thierry Brefort - a representative of the European Commission. When anyone has a link to the final, published text please share it. Ian Gordon BOC Edwards From: thierry.bref...@cec.eu.int [mailto:thierry.bref...@cec.eu.int] Sent: 01 December 2004 16:41 To: ian.gor...@bocedwards.com

Cell calibration by EN61000-4-3:2002

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
In simple terms, the standard requires that a field at each point in a 0.5m matrix be within 6 dB of an empirically identified reference node - except: CONCESSION 1 On p14, Note 2 says that "calibration requirements are fulfilled if a maximum of 3% of the frequencies does not meet the 6dB criter

Bantam Connectors Isolation

2004-12-02 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Why is it that Bantam connectors/cables are common amongst T1 "outside plant" test gear yet Bantam cable manufacturers commonly spec their cables at 500 or 650VDC isolation. In fact, the three samples I've inspected measured 0.030" between Tip/Ring and Sleeve and when tested, breakdown occured at a