Re: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
True, spelling is important, but I got about 5 times more hits Googling for 'alodine' than 'alodyne'. I seem to remember our mechanical engineers also using the phrase 'chromate conversion' for a conductive coating. Google gave me a lot of hits on that term, including many pages comparing

Re: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I'm not an anodize or Alodyne expert but I will offer a few notes: 1. You will get more hits when looking up Alodyne if you spell it correctly. See http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alodyne 2. Both processes are clear. Some sort of dye is added for coloring. Yellow is popular for

Northeast Product Safety Society Meeting on Wednesday, January 23rd

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
All, NOTE - The NORTHEAST PRODUCT SAFETY SOCIETY has a new web address – WWW.NEPSS.NET. Please make sure you change your shortcuts and links or you will miss out on all we have to offer! There will be a Northeast Product Safety Society / CNEC Product Safety Engineering Society meeting on

RE: Y1 cap info

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
John, Although that sounds fine on the surface and assuming that space is not a consideration, you are still doubling the parasitic resistance and inductance of the filtering path. In fact since the larger value capacitance device often requires even larger packages, the parasitics may be more

Re: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 5f5a140eb5cb094bb4d2c477c8c4ad99922...@sjc1amfpew04.am.sanm.corp, dated Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Tarver, Peter peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com writes: You seem certain about this. I'm unconvinced. I suggest you talk to a tame electro-chemist. Do you have a reference? I've been looking

Re: Y1 cap info

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 64c85c187de0f944bb7b79f01af019a034e...@mail-01.stratalight.com, dated Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Marko Radojicic mradoji...@stratalight.com writes: Two Y-caps in series = lower capacitance, twice the parasitics, less filtering, and thus more conducted EMI. There is no free lunch: Bomb-proof

RE: Y1 cap info

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Yeah, I know. Several weeks ago, the design engineers suggested that I do something physically impossible, when I requested two caps in series... And you would not believe some of the things that we have done to get the 'last few microamps out of some of our last custom medical unit. Nothing to

RE: Y1 cap info

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Important EMI consideration: Two Y-caps in series = lower capacitance, twice the parasitics, less filtering, and thus more conducted EMI. There is no free lunch: Bomb-proof Y cap design = reduced EMI performance, unfortunately. I agree with the statements that Y caps are exceedingly reliable

Re: Y1 cap info

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 002901c856f2$e128c900$c600a8c0@PC323541548743, dated Mon, 14 Jan 2008, rn...@san.rr.com writes: For typical failure modes, contact your Y-cap manufacturer. Failure modes are likely unique to each manufacturer. But the fundamental point is that if the insulation is punctured, e.g.

RE: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: John Woodgate Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:02 PM Ted Eckert writes: IEC 60950-1 Annex J. So it does, but the relation between these potentials and corrosion is only determined under laboratory conditions. You seem certain about this. I'm unconvinced. Do you have a

RE: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: Curt McNamara Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:33 PM In my experience almost all anodize is non- conductive. The only conductive one that I recall is black zinc. I don't know if the process to which you refer is the form of anodizing I've come across called 'Alodine' (also black),

RE: Y1 cap info

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Brian: While our design technically conforms to the requirements of 60950-1, I do not feel 'right' about a single component bridging either primary/secondary, or primary/floating metal in a Class II unit until I can learn more about Y1 cap reliability and typical failure modes, so I

Re: Y1 cap info

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 002d01c856ee$fcd3c000$d600a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: A question on this std - why do Y1 caps not have to meet the active flammability test, but Y2-rated caps must ? I don't know. Do we have any IEC TC40 people here?

RE: Y1 cap info

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
On 1/14/2008, Brian O'Connell wrote: While our design technically conforms to the requirements of 60950-1, I do not feel 'right' about a single component bridging either primary/secondary, or primary/floating metal in a Class II unit until I can learn more about Y1 cap reliability and typical

RE: Y1 cap info

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
=*=*packet mod warning=*=* -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 12:27 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Y1 cap info In message 002701c856e5$23d4fe80$d600a...@tamuracorp.com,

Re: Y1 cap info

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 002701c856e5$23d4fe80$d600a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: I have not been able to find fundamental construction information for Y1-rated capacitors. Obviously, details may be commercially-confidential. But in principle,

Y1 cap info

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Good People, I have not been able to find fundamental construction information for Y1-rated capacitors. I am also looking for failure mode and reliability info. What I can find, makes me feel neither warm nor fuzzy for use in Class II construction. thanks much, Brian - This message is from

Human Exposure in China and India

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Does anyone know if China and India follow the ICNIRP recommendation for human exposure, or do they have their own national regulation for human exposure? I am interested especially in the frequency range below 100 kHz. Don Umbdenstock Manager Compliance Engineering Tyco Safety Products /

RE: ANSI C63.5: Determination of EdMax; Radio Frequency Principles and Applications

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Richard/all, Table 2 shows horizontal Edmax for receive heights of 1 to 4 meters, not just at 4 meters. Up to about 100-200 MHz the receive height for horizontal Edmax should be at 4m or higher, so the value at 4m would be valid. For higher frequencies the height for horizontal Edmax will be

RE: Definition of system integrator

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Thank you. Best Regards Charles Grasso Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Pager/Short Message: 3032042...@vtext.com Email: charles.gra...@echostar.com From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, January

Re: Definition of system integrator

2008-01-14 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message f38c1e8a75404347a126608a8f48af5508fcc...@mer2-excha2.echostar.com, dated Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Grasso, Charles charles.gra...@echostar.com writes: Thank you John and Monrad. I wonder though how this clinical definition applies in the PC marketplace? Who is the manufacturer when an