RE: Ontario, Canada Registration of Manufacturers, Distributors and Importers

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Thanks Doug. Appreciate all your well-informed and balanced input on this one. Jim Eichner, P.Eng. Compliance Engineering Manager Xantrex Technology Inc. e-mail: jim.eich...@xantrex.com web: www.xantrex.com Confidentiality Notice: This email message, including any

RE: Surge testing Questions

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I believe the intention has always been to test line-to-ground (normal mode) and then neutral-ground (common mode). It's been a few years since I was convenor of that group and don't recall all the discussions. I believe coupling multiple lines may have been discussed, but there are real problems p

BSMI clocks and oscillators

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Does BSMI require a list of clocks and oscillators in EMC test reports to comply with CNS 13438 2006? Thanks, Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattend

Fwd: Ontario, Canada Registration of Manufacturers, Distributors and Importers

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Listers: Here is the word on the Canadian National implementation of the ESA registration system, direct from ESA... See below. -- Doug Nix, A.Sc.T. Chair, 2009 PSES Symposium http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium/ IEEE PSES Toronto Section, Ontario, Canada d...@ieee.org mobile (519) 729-5704 fa

RE: dated standards

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Tim and All, one of our products end up audited in Germany by Bundes... They claim what our standards were outdated in DoC and they said as long as our product in on the market we must comply with new versions and it should be mentioned in DoC. The product is under RTTE. I have prepeared a

Re: Telecom ISNs for CISPR 22:2006

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
FIRST COMMENT- there is another one below - re; "" In a message dated 3/5/2009 2:07:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, neve...@comcast.net writes: For high-speed differential interfaces (e.g. Ethernet) I'd strongly prefer

RE: Telecom ISNs for CISPR 22:2006

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
CISPR:22 item 9.6.3 misses the point. 1. Paragraph 1 could be interpreted as requiring tests in all three equipment arrangements. 2. Paragraph 2 ignores auto-negotiation. Ethernet auto-negotiatiation route is full-duplex 100BaseTX, half-duplex 100BaseTX, full-duplex 10Ba

RE: Harmonized Standards for 802.11a/b/g per EU R&TTE Directive

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
EN 300 328 V1.7.1 (2.4 GHz portion) and EN 301 893 V1.4.1 (5 GHz portion) would serve the spectrum matters EN 301 489-1 V1.8.1 and EN 301 489-17 V1.3.2 would serve EMC matters These two are not relevant for WLAN EN 300 440-2 V1.2.2 EN 301 489-3 V1.4.1 might be used for GPS if include

Re: Are integrated components in scope of EuP?

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Sorry, John. Yes, word missing Corrected --> Does EuP apply to in-scope items that are components of a out-of-scope machine? I think the question is mostly moot now, with consideration to the IMs (implementing measures) now listed to the EuP (boilers, consumer refrigerators, florescent ballast

Re: Are integrated components in scope of EuP?

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , dated Fri, 6 Mar 2009, lauren_cr...@amat.com writes: >Trying to get a response for competent authorities in EU is proving >difficult. Perhaps someone here has insight. > > >Does EuP apply to in-scope items that components of a out-of-scope >machine? Word missing? Do you really h

Re: Telecom ISNs for CISPR 22:2006

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <1641002675.2068421236355390870.javamail.r...@sz0149a.emeryville.ca.mail. comcast.net>, dated Fri, 6 Mar 2009, neve...@comcast.net writes: >I'd be very curious to see what the others think of the clause that >Bill quoted. The point is that the IEC text of 9.6.1 says that 9.6.2. is th

Surge testing Questions

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Good day folks, I have a question or two concerning the latest surge test document EN61000-4-5: 1) when the pulse is applied on a power lead between line and ground, is it done Line to ground, then Neutral to Ground OR, is it Line and Neutral to Ground. One would think if this were a common m

Are integrated components in scope of EuP?

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Trying to get a response for competent authorities in EU is proving difficult. Perhaps someone here has insight. Does EuP apply to in-scope items that components of a out-of-scope machine? Scenarios of interest are importing the machine itself into the EU, and importing the item as a spare part

Re: Telecom ISNs for CISPR 22:2006

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I'd be very curious to see what the others think of the clause that Bill quoted. I know the standard specifies ISN and it is "available" - if the definition of available means one can buy it. Therefore it can be read as ISC "shall" be used. I also know that what the standard specifies does not a

Re: Telecom ISNs for CISPR 22:2006

2009-03-06 Thread neven11
I'd be very curious to see what the others think of the clause that Bill quoted. I know the standard specifies ISN and it is "available" - if the definition of available means one can buy it. Therefore it can be read as ISC "shall" be used. I also know that what the standard specifies does not alw

Re: Telecom ISNs for CISPR 22:2006

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <841835.29142...@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, dated Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Bill Owsley writes: >Would this have any bearing  on which test method can/should/shall be >used?  Or is this only for the soon to be past? CENELEC, but more significantly, the Commission, supports alternative te

World-wide wireless regulatory details document

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
To all, Grace’s email made me think about the “Worldwide_Frequencies_Power_ Level_802_20070530_003” document that the group created and posted on the EMC-PSTC’s website back in 2007. Has it been useful to the group? If so, has this document been updated recently and does anyone have any update

Re: Telecom ISNs for CISPR 22:2006

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Would this have any bearing on which test method can/should/shall be used? Or is this only for the soon to be past? EN 55022:2006 Endorsement notice The text of the International Standard CISPR 22:2005 was approved by CENELEC as a European Standard with agreed common modifications as given b

RE: Harmonized Standards for 802.11a/b/g per EU R&TTE Directive

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Grace, Historically, I have only been quoted EN 301489-17 for 802.11b/g evaluations >from a large cross-section of test labs and that’s been validated by a number of EU Notified Bodies. I have not yet been involved with an 802.11a project, so I can’t offer any experience there. However, EN 3

RE: Harmonized Standards for 802.11a/b/g per EU R&TTE Directive

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Grace, You need to pick EN 300 328 V1.7.1 for the 802.11b/g portion, channels 1 to 11 EN 301 893 V1.4.1 (with staggered PRF detection from EN 301 893 V1.5.1) for the 802.11a that goes into effect shortly (see the notes in the OJ) EN 301 489-1 V1.8.1 / EN 301 489-17 V1.3.2 for the immuni

Harmonized Standards for 802.11a/b/g per EU R&TTE Directive

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear Members, Could you please advise the harmonized standard(s) for an 802.11 a/b/g general purpose handheld controller per EU R&TTE Directive? A quick look at the OJ published list of the harmonized standards (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Le UriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2008:280:0033:0064:EN:PDF

Re: dated standards

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <201048ea81ba0745aca78e4cc883900104638...@desmdswms201.des.grplnk.net>, dated Fri, 6 Mar 2009, "Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK)" writes: >Don't forget that under the new EMC Directive you can sign off a DoC on >the basis that the equipment has been assessed against the essential >

RE: dated standards

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi John, All, Don't forget that under the new EMC Directive you can sign off a DoC on the basis that the equipment has been assessed against the essential requirements. The fact that you use standard that are "out of date" is immaterial - it is still a valid DoC. People who are getting ready to

Re: dated standards

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , dated Fri, 6 Mar 2009, rehel...@mmm.com writes: >The problem is a little more complex because the new EMCD requires >dated references on the DoC as well. A DoC can look out of date when it >is not and can appear "in date" when it is not ( a Customs problem?). Could you please exp

Re: dated standards

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The problem is a little more complex because the new EMCD requires dated references on the DoC as well. A DoC can look out of date when it is not and can appear "in date" when it is not ( a Customs problem?). Also because the new EMCD requirement, many (and I mean many) DoCs will be out of date sim

RE: Ontario, Canada Registration of Manufacturers, Distributors and Importers

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I have heard that the ESA program is being considered as the model for a Canadian national program, to avoid proliferation of similar regulations in other provinces. We’ll have to wait and see but it sounds like common sense will prevail and we’ll have 1 registration process not 13. Jim Eichne

Re: dated standards

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <849306.60938...@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, dated Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Philo Beddo writes: >I guess, the proper way would be something like "IEC/EN >(6)1000-4-2:1991-present"  to show that a lab can perform an ESD test >to all the versions of that standard up to and including the mos

Re: Telecom ISNs for CISPR 22:2006

2009-03-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Neven, I agree with this statement, however the standard specifies ISNs for common interfaces such as Ethernet. So I think we are stuck with using ISNs whenever possible. The capacitive voltage clamp and current clamp methods are left as an option for when there is a non-supported telecom i