Re: [PSES] Ecma TR-106 available

2013-02-26 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Ron: I don't know about the IECEE, but the TRF for Ed 1 is done. I would guess that the TRF for Ed 2, if not done, should be done shortly and in time for the standard Ed 2. TC 108 is meeting March 18-22 where all should be revealed. Best regards, Rich On 2/26/2013 3:37 PM, Ron Pickard w

Re: [PSES] Ecma TR-106 available

2013-02-26 Thread Ron Pickard
Hi Rich, Adding one more question to Brian's list. I know this may be a bit rhetorical, but do you have an idea when the IECEE will align the CB Scheme to IEC62368 Ed 2, including the TRFs? Best regards, Ron Pickard Sent from my  Android phone Original message From: Brian Oco

Re: [PSES] Ecma TR-106 available

2013-02-26 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Brian: On 2/26/2013 10:06 AM, Brian Oconnell wrote: More good stuff from Mr. Nute. And more questions from the peanut gallery. 1. Other than the SPD and flame test issues, what where the problems that the TC had with the 1st edition?

Re: [PSES] Ecma TR-106 available

2013-02-26 Thread
Hi Brian, >From a cost perspective, it seems perhaps you are seeing the tip of an >iceberg. Non-technical commentary floating in the ether, often points to >predictions of significant cost increases and imminent chaos presented by >early adopters and unavoidable divergent interpretations of th

Re: [PSES] Ecma TR-106 available

2013-02-26 Thread Brian Oconnell
More good stuff from Mr. Nute. And more questions from the peanut gallery. 1. Other than the SPD and flame test issues, what where the problems that the TC had with the 1st edition? 2. Is TC108 still scheduled to vote in March? 3. Do organizations such as UL and CSA have the influence to get the n

Re: [PSES] Ecma TR-106 available

2013-02-26 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Ron: IEC 62368-1 Edition 1 is an "approved" IEC standard. It was not voted down, but its adoption as a national or regional standard has been discouraged due to a number of problems in the standard. (This is what prompted the urgent work on a second edition.) (UL and maybe others have been

Re: [PSES] Recast of RTTE directive

2013-02-26 Thread John Woodgate
In message <617eb8c8634c9149aa66c853d7b8ac53040e4...@by2prd0310mb389.namprd03.prod.o utlook.com>, dated Tue, 26 Feb 2013, "Crane, Lauren" writes: The unique aspect of the problem here is that the "unique DoC" issue seems embedded in the New Legislative Frame (NLF) legislation, the ideas of

Re: [PSES] Recast of RTTE directive

2013-02-26 Thread Crane, Lauren
You can reach out by email to the parliamentary committee managing the RTTE project, particularly the leader (the "rapporteur") and the "shadow rapporteurs". I'll see if I can dig up their names and share. I know it seems like a long shot, but I also know from personal experience it can be effec

Re: [PSES] Recast of RTTE directive

2013-02-26 Thread Kunde, Brian
For fun, let's look at what we would have to do if we did everything the current and future proposed EU Directives states regarding DofCs. Let's assume unique everything. At the end of every production line you would have an officer of the company (director level or higher). For each product pr

Re: [PSES] Ecma TR-106 available

2013-02-26 Thread Ron Pickard RPQ
Hi Rich, Thank you and Tom getting this out to us. After reviewing this document, I noticed that it references IEC 62368 Edition 1. As this Edition 1 was voted down I believe by most NCBs causing Edition 2 to be created, will ECMA be updating this document to reflect a comparison to IEC 62368 Editi

Re: [PSES] Recast of RTTE directive

2013-02-26 Thread John Woodgate
In message <7B529F5F748344499F9D6BA0A8C663C8@LENVOR61iJOHN>, dated Tue, 26 Feb 2013, John Cotman writes: It would defy all common sense if it got in. Among other matters, there has to be a regulatory impact assessment of any new legislation. But if people don't protest, it is assumed that t

Re: [PSES] Recast of RTTE directive

2013-02-26 Thread John Cotman
It would defy all common sense if it got in. Among other matters, there has to be a regulatory impact assessment of any new legislation. John C -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 26 February 2013 10:59 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re:

Re: [PSES] Recast of RTTE directive

2013-02-26 Thread Anthony Thomson
I believe John's advice related to the National Standards bodies' input and influence into the European Commission's Directives processes. Please correct me if I misunderstood this. As for being an issue... If you're manufacturing broadcast transmitters or 4G cellular base stations in volumes o

Re: [PSES] Recast of RTTE directive

2013-02-26 Thread John Woodgate
In message <2EC8CC67196B4ED1BB7595C6964E7620@LENVOR61iJOHN>, dated Tue, 26 Feb 2013, John Cotman writes: Surely if this is a real issue, (and I?m not convinced that it is), it would have to be in the text of the directive(s), and is nothing to do with standards? See the Subject line: it IS

Re: [PSES] Recast of RTTE directive

2013-02-26 Thread John Woodgate
In message <20130226101739.148...@gmx.com>, dated Tue, 26 Feb 2013, Anthony Thomson writes: So who is driving and supporting the requirement for uniquely serialised DoC's and what is their technical and economical justification for doing so. Probably some enthusiastic 'experts' (maybe lawye

Re: [PSES] Recast of RTTE directive

2013-02-26 Thread John Cotman
Surely if this is a real issue, (and I'm not convinced that it is), it would have to be in the text of the directive(s), and is nothing to do with standards? John C _ From: Anthony Thomson [mailto:ton...@europe.com] Sent: 26 February 2013 10:18 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subje

Re: [PSES] Recast of RTTE directive

2013-02-26 Thread Anthony Thomson
I’m with Scott on this and I appreciate John’s advice about canvassing one's relevant National Standards body. However, I would like to understand who is driving and supporting the rquirement for uniquely serialised DoC’s and their motives and rationale behind the requirement. Because at the mom

Re: [PSES] Recast of RTTE directive

2013-02-26 Thread John Woodgate
In message <512c27c6.4020...@radiusnorth.net>, dated Mon, 25 Feb 2013, Scott Douglas writes: So who do we complain to about having a unique DofC for each specific product? How do we get our voices heard? Contact your National Standards body, (i.e. ANSI, CSI, DIN, BSI...) and persevere until