Re: [PSES] Standards for labels

2014-05-05 Thread John Woodgate
In message <20140506042808.5931153.7174.6...@gmail.com>, dated Mon, 5 May 2014, Doug Powell writes: In my experience a safety label needs to be controlled:  label material, inks, adhesives and manufactured by an approved label shop or in-house label printing machines which are approved for th

Re: [PSES] Standards for labels

2014-05-05 Thread Doug Powell
As already mentioned durability of ratings and warning  labels is a main concern.  ‎Alcohol rub is typical and n-hexane may be required in some standards like 60950-1 and 60601-1. Be careful, n-hexane is hazardous.  Most IEC/EN standards will require that you also test with any cleaning agents you

Re: [PSES] Standards for labels

2014-05-05 Thread IBM Ken
For what it's worth, UL accepts UL 969 for labels on NRTL marked products but insists I do a Hexane label rub test (for permanence) before giving me a CB report... -Ken On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Nyffenegger, Dave < dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > > > The NRTLs I work

Re: [PSES] Standards for labels

2014-05-05 Thread Ted Eckert
Hello Dave, See IEC 60950-1 section 1.7.11 for the requirements regarding the durability of marking. This section states that any marking required by the standard pass a durability test. This test requires resistance to rubbing with a water soaked cloth and with a cloth soaked in a petroleum sp

[PSES] Standards for labels

2014-05-05 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
Hi Folks, The NRTLs I work with in the past have asked for technical details for labels when doing safety compliance certification but I'm not sure why. For example self-adhesive labels used for switches and indicators on control panels, caution/warning labels, etc. The EC Machinery and Low

Re: [PSES] EN 60204-1 Degrees of Protection

2014-05-05 Thread John Woodgate
In message <7B9D892F88F070469771832D78B3086E282A7681@013-BR1MPN1-013.MGDPBI.global.p vt>, dated Mon, 5 May 2014, Jim Hulbert writes: .  Do these phrases give the manufacturer the opportunity to define a degree of protection that may not follow the typical values provided in the NOTE 3 table i

Re: [PSES] EN 60204-1 Degrees of Protection

2014-05-05 Thread Crane, Lauren
Thanks, Mike. Regards, Lauren From: Mike Sherman - Original Message - [mailto:msherma...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:27 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EN 60204-1 Degrees of Protection Jim -- Yes, but surprises do happen. I once had some very expensiv

Re: [PSES] EN 60204-1 Degrees of Protection

2014-05-05 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
Jim -- Yes, but surprises do happen. I once had some very expensive equipment in a top notch clean room that got thoroughly soaked when a pipe above the ceiling burst. Very expensive clean up. A guide to IP codes that I've found useful is: http://www.cameuk.com/camenew/tech-docs/08_Misc%20

[PSES] EN 60204-1 Degrees of Protection

2014-05-05 Thread Jim Hulbert
Fellow safety experts, Machinery Electrical Safety Standard EN 60204-1, clause 11.3 provides guidance on degrees of protection for controlgear enclosures against ingress of solid objects and liquids. How do members of this forum, who are familiar with Machinery Safety standards, interpret that