Re: [PSES] IP camera for outdoor use in Europe

2016-01-20 Thread Aleksei Musin
Hi Charlie, In general, from AC mains thru the adapter, which is not included in the package. Sure, customers are free to use backup batteries. We do not supply batteries, and our camera has no compartment for them. Regards, Aleksei > Where does the 12V/48V originate from - AC mains supply or

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2016-01-20 Thread Ed Price
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Re: [PSES] IP camera for outdoor use in Europe

2016-01-20 Thread Ronald Pickard
Hi John, Yes, I am aware of that and not knowing if the OP knew about it, I thought I would mention it. I look forward to your reply. Best regards, Ron Pickard Regulatory Compliance Engineer Compound Photonics D | +1 (602) 883-8039 From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent:

Re: [PSES] IP camera for outdoor use in Europe

2016-01-20 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
The GPSD applies (1) to consumer goods only and IMHO (2) does not apply when the LVD applies in its exempt state. In general the GPSD is for those products that there is no other legislation regarding safety or certain risks not covered by legislation. For a camera, there is : the LVD but it d

Re: [PSES] IP camera for outdoor use in Europe

2016-01-20 Thread John Allen
Ron The Product Liability Directive applies regardless of whichever other Directives do/do not apply (except those relating to foods and agricultural products IIRC)! (similar in the States I think, although the timescales and penalties are substantially different) John Allen W.London, UK

Re: [PSES] IP camera for outdoor use in Europe

2016-01-20 Thread Ted Eckert
As numerous people have already noted, the General Product Safety Directive (GPSD) would be applicable. There are a few items to note on the GPSD. First, there is a list of harmonized standards under the GPSD that give the presumption of conformity. EN 60950-1 is on this list and it would likel

Re: [PSES] IP camera for outdoor use in Europe

2016-01-20 Thread Rodney Davis
Gert and an FYI the LVD is not the only safety related directive. 72 volt DC does not exempt you from all and any safety requirements as there are other catch all Directives like GPS Directive... Rodney Davis From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gr

Re: [PSES] IP camera for outdoor use in Europe

2016-01-20 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
For only the camera only, legally you only have to deal with the EMCD. As the supply voltage is below 72 volt DC the LVD is exempt. Unless -as Ronald pointed out-, it’s a wireless device. The RTTE directive (Soon RED directive) includes safety and EMC as well as radio (=efficient use of the sp

Re: [PSES] Is your company doing enough to ensure adequate EMC complain nce?

2016-01-20 Thread Pete Perkins
Thanx, John, for spelling out the broad level of compliance that we all deal with day by day. Generally, compliance is an attempt to codify actions which much of society agree is acceptable behavior. Splitting hairs as to what actions are in or out is the work of lawyers on a daily basis. M

Re: [PSES] IP camera for outdoor use in Europe

2016-01-20 Thread Ronald Pickard
If that is a wireless camera, then the R&TTED would likely apply, bringing EMC, safety and wireless standards into the mix. If not wireless, then the EMCD would apply, but maybe not the LVD due to its scope of voltage inputs, however, the GPSD may apply in lieu of the LVD. And, there's also the

Re: [PSES] IP camera for outdoor use in Europe

2016-01-20 Thread Rodney Davis
The answer would be either LVD or GPS Directives as being applicable..Safety and EMC is what I would expect in a quote. Rodney Davis Regulatory Compliance Engineering Phone: DID 613-691-3468 350 Legget Drive Kanata, On,K2K 2W7, Canada From: Charlie Blackh

Re: [PSES] IP camera for outdoor use in Europe

2016-01-20 Thread Charlie Blackham
Where does the 12V/48V originate from - AC mains supply or a co-located isolated battery? Also, what is the power consumption of the camera? Charlie -Original Message- From: Aleksei Musin [mailto:amu...@inbox.ru] Sent: 20 January 2016 12:40 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES]

[PSES] IP camera for outdoor use in Europe

2016-01-20 Thread Aleksei Musin
Hi Everyone, We have requested several labs and got different scopes of work. It is not clear what regulations we have to keep in mind. Some of those labs have provided quotes with EMC only, others have done with EMC+Safety. Our camera is powered from 12VDC or 48VDC (PoE), and intended for out