Re: [PSES] Regulatory requirements for MOVs placed line-to-ground on AC mains ports?

2017-11-20 Thread Gary Tornquist
Back to Brian's mail about the basis for the 1500A interrupt rating, my assumption has been that it stems from some other common requirement or application that made this the next step up. Presumably it isn't economical to have a bunch of different common interrupt ratings. Cheers, Gary

Re: [PSES] Regulatory requirements for MOVs placed line-to-ground on AC mains ports?

2017-11-20 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
My assumption as well Perhaps, but keep in mind that the impedance specified by 60725 is a maximum value that 90% of household service would not exceed. It might be 1/2 that value on average. Ralph McDiarmid Product Compliance Engineering Solar Business Schneider Electric

Re: [PSES] Regulatory requirements for MOVs placed line-to-ground on AC mains ports?

2017-11-20 Thread John Woodgate
In UK, because of the ring-main wiring, the effective conductors to a wall-socket are 5 mm^2. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2017-11-20 20:21, Richard Nute wrote: In the USA, at the load end of a 2-meter #18 power cord,

Re: [PSES] Regulatory requirements for MOVs placed line-to-ground on AC mains ports?

2017-11-20 Thread Richard Nute
I suspect the IEC 60725 impedance is at the service entrance, not through the breaker box, building wiring, connectors, and power cord. By the time all these resistances are taken into account, I suspect that the total resistance is at least twice that specified in IEC 60725. Rich

Re: [PSES] Regulatory requirements for MOVs placed line-to-ground on AC mains ports?

2017-11-20 Thread Richard Nute
In the USA, at the load end of a 2-meter #18 power cord, you can expect 100-200 amps short-circuit current, but not more, due to the resistance of the power cord, the connectors, and the wiring to the breaker box. If you assume that the source resistance is almost 1 ohm, the short-circuit

Re: [PSES] Regulatory requirements for MOVs placed line-to-ground on AC mains ports?

2017-11-20 Thread Pete Perkins
Ralph, et al, My long term understanding is that the fault current is a curve. High values initially draining to lower values as the stored charge in the adjacent wiring is pulled thru the short circuit and maintained by the supply impedance at the longer term value.

Re: [PSES] Regulatory requirements for MOVs placed line-to-ground on AC mains ports?

2017-11-20 Thread John Woodgate
'Reference value' 0.4 + j0.25 ohms in IEC TR 60725 for household-type single phase connections,  leading to a fault current of 488 A at 230 V. But impedances lower than the reference value occur quite widely in some countries. I measure about 80% of the reference value at a wall socket, not

Re: [PSES] Regulatory requirements for MOVs placed line-to-ground on AC mains ports?

2017-11-20 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
According to IEC/TR 60725, 90% of customers in the UK and in Australia, will have electricity supply impedance less than or equal to 0.25 + j0.23 ohms. That according to a survey or residential service for 230V/50Hz That tells me that short circuit current would be at least 680A, but could be

Re: [PSES] Regulatory requirements for MOVs placed line-to-ground on AC mains ports?

2017-11-20 Thread Brian O'Connell
Mr. Woodgate, Is there a recently published spec for a 'typical' 230V mains impedance for the EU? Have also noted that the source Zs in 61000-4-5 for the instrument seem rather high. So what is the basis for 1500A interrupt rating? For U.S., even for an artificially low-Z electronic AC source,