Re: Puzzle: Radiation from a disconnected TV antenna?

2011-07-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Rich, In days of yore, the FCC had vans equipped with radio receivers and rotatable direction finding antennas mounted on the roof. They would prowl around and find us crazy CB'ers that had kW-sized linear power amps connected to our 1/4 wave antennas. It was quite a fun time. I have no doubt

RE: High voltage testing by any name

2011-07-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
u are referring to 'surge' testing, which is can be considered a different species. Brian -----Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Mark Hone Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 3:21 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: High voltage testing by any name C

measuring voltage stress on a component on a PCB during ESD and design rule violation in many new designs

2011-07-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Everyone, Just posted my latest Technical Tidbit: Technical Tidbit - July 2011 Measuring ESD Stress on a PCB (When Conventional Measurements Don't Work) This month's Technical Tidbit describes a useful method of measuring stress voltages on a PCB under ESD conditions. Abstract: Measuring v

High voltage testing by any name

2011-07-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Colleagues – I have been specifying routine Voltage Withstand tests to UK Naval Standards for years and I have recently been called upon to explain them in detail and to say if their use will prove that wiring is too old/stressed to be safe to use: I have realised my knowledge isn’t as comprehe

FW: IEEE EMC Soc UKRI event at Tyseley Railway Works Birmingham. - Wednesday July 13th 2011 - Final Issue

2011-07-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Everyone There are some changes to the final programme, please see below. There are still a few places available. Best wishes Brian Brian Jones EMC Consultant I am having problems with incoming emails at the moment, so if you wish to contact me by email, please copy the messag

RE: [PSES] IEC 60601-1 and voltage limiting devices

2011-07-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear Mr. Peruzzi, The answer provided by Mr. Andy Clifford it is correct. The same rules of second edition referring to removal of voltage limiting devices applies. Best Regards, Steli Loznen, M.Sc.,SM-IEEE Q.A. and Certification Manager Convener of IEC/TC62/SC62A/WG17 I.T.L (Product Testi

RE: [PSES] IEC 60601-1 and voltage limiting devices

2011-07-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The dielectric strength tests of the 3rd edition are for “solid insulation”. 8.8.3 c) does allow removal of filters. Also the rationale of clause 8.8.3 does allow removal of voltage limiting devices. Best regards Andy Andy Clifford Conformance Ltd - Product safety, approvals and CE-marking c

IEC 60601-1 and voltage limiting devices

2011-07-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear all, while making an update from the second edition to the third edition of IEC 60601-1 for one product of ours, in our test lab they found that there seems not to be any more a statement which allows to remove voltage limiting devices during the dielectric strength test. Does it mean we can

Re: Puzzle: Radiation from a disconnected TV antenna?

2011-07-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <83D4CD254221462D887D64D44C21EA89@RichardHPdv6>, dated Sun, 10 Jul 2011, ri...@ieee.org writes: >Thanks for any explanations, and best regards, If you were the FAA guys and found that you had come to the wrong house, what would you do?(;-) The most likely source of such interference

Re: Puzzle: Radiation from a disconnected TV antenna?

2011-07-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Either a passive (re)radiator as you said, or perhaps something in the house was leaking a weak signal that was coupling into the antenna and being transmitted very efficiently towards Portland (I assume the TV antenna was a Yagi). I bet the FAA was excited to find something aside from leaky CA

Puzzle: Radiation from a disconnected TV antenna?

2011-07-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
My normal subject is safety. However, I have an EMC situation that I would like to understand. When I built my Vancouver, Washington, house, I installed an FM antenna in one attic and a VHF-UHF antenna in the other attic. The line of sight from my house to the grouped Portland, Oregon TV station

Medical device compliance in Colombia

2011-07-09 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Experts, does anybody have experience with Colombia with medical device compliance of a mobile hospital including electrical safety: · acceptance of CE marking? · acceptance of Euroepan EMC test reports? · informative internet sites? · Any practical inf

Re: Regulatory Markings dimensions

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Google/Bing is your friend. > > Brian > > -----Original Message- > From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Mark Gandler > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:31 AM > To: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: Regulatory Markings dimensions > > Hi there, > do

RE: Ethernt Telecom Protocol Testing / Certification

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
oogle/Bing is your friend. Brian -Original Message----- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of jeff collins Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:33 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Ethernt Telecom Protocol Testing / Certification Group, Can anyone recommend a test lab

Ethernt Telecom Protocol Testing / Certification

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Group, Can anyone recommend a test lab to conduct Ethernet Telecom Protocol testing/certification? I would prefer to use a lab located in either N.CA or S.CA Regards, Jeff Collins Six 9's Reliable - ---

Re: [PSES] GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <1abb0f6ff6cb7545adad042f566d5f4447532...@sv-mailbox01.ohdc.com>, dated Fri, 8 Jul 2011, "Sundstrom, Michael" writes: >Albert Einstein once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the >same thing over and over again and expecting different results". So everyone who works on EMC

RE: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Ok Mr. Woodgate point taken, and I admit that I am one of "them" that needs to get involved with standards. Someone that has done TC work needs to give a short tutorial at the upcoming EMC and/or PSES symposium. Get the troops motivated, so to speak. Brian -Original Message----- F

RE: [PSES] GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
ent set-ups do have poor correlations in a metrological view. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl <mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl> <mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl> www.cetest.nl <http://www.cetest.nl%3E> ; Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(

RE: Regulatory Markings dimensions

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Mark Gandler Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:31 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Regulatory Markings dimensions Hi there, does anyone knows good source for worldwide regulatory markings and logos dimensions? similar to CE is min 5mm

Regulatory Markings dimensions

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi there, does anyone knows good source for worldwide regulatory markings and logos dimensions? similar to CE is min 5mm/proportions; A-tick/C-tick: 3mm diameter; and so on. Thanks Mark - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety

Re: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <8ce0ba64b5a3207-13d0-8...@webmail-m159.sysops.aol.com>, dated Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Derek Walton writes: >his is so true John > >All this is true, but the mind-set in CISPR is otherwise. > > >But since when should we be letting the tail wag the dog I keep explaining that the way to i

Re: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Gary, The goal isn't the measurement methodology the goal is non interference and the ability to operate reliably in its intended environment. This is precisely my point. We have veered from the desired path and need a jerk back on track. I have Nomex undies, Asb

Re: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
This is so true John All this is true, but the mind-set in CISPR is otherwise. But since when should we be letting the tail wag the dog -Original Message- From: John Woodgate To: EMC-PSTC Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 11:42 am Subject: Re: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers In mess

RE: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I would add to your last line the comment at the cheapest and fastest means available. If the goal is to prevent a problem then cheapest and fastest that solves the problem means, in my opinion, greater compliance simply because more designers can avail themselves the tests without blowing budgets.

Re: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , dated Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Ken Javor writes: >That it didn't happen is testament to "repeatability" theoreticians >winning out over a more practical approach. Controlling cable common >mode emissions and immunity, and then separately treating the equipment >enclosure only at higher f

Re: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
That it didn't happen is testament to "repeatability" theoreticians winning out over a more practical approach. Controlling cable common mode emissions and immunity, and then separately treating the equipment enclosure only at higher frequencies would cost a lot less in test infrastructure, and yie

Re: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , dated Fri, 8 Jul 2011, Ken Javor writes: >Derek?s is not some new wild-eyed radicalism. See for example: > >Szentkuti, B., Give Up Radiation Testing In Favour Of Conduction >Testing, Proceedings, EMC Zurich 1989. > >Szentkuti was chair of the TC 77 subcommittee. So he was establish

Re: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
l <mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl> <mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl> www.cetest.nl <http://www.cetest.nl> <http://www.cetest.nl> <http://www.cetest.nl%3E> <http://www.cetest.nl%3E> ; Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 Before pri

Re: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
63 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 Before printing, think about the environment. Van: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Namens Ian White (UK) Verzonden: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:58 AM Aan: IEEE Forum (emc-p...@ieee.org) Onderwerp: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

Re: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
view. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl <mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl> <mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl> www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 Before printing, think about the environment. Van: emc-p...@ieee

RE: GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
. Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl <mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl> www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 Before printing, think about the environment. Van: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Name

GTEM's V Anechoic chambers

2011-07-08 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I would be very interested in your experiences of the correlations (if any) of test results between GTEMS and Anechoic chambers. For example if a product was tested in GTEM would it stand a chance in your experience of passing in a Anechoic chamber. Thanks for your help, Ian White (De

RE: [PSES] EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2

2011-07-07 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
ANSI requirements, and the US senate always exempts self from all such requirements. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 10:18 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

RE: [PSES] EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2

2011-07-07 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
om; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2 Very curious about the "asbestos underwear" and how that is applied in testing ;<) Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31

RE: [PSES] EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2

2011-07-07 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
RG Subject: RE: [PSES] EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2 Very curious about the "asbestos underwear" and how that is applied in testing ;<) Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 ? Before pri

RE: [PSES] EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2

2011-07-07 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
orspronkelijk bericht----- Van: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] Namens McInturff, Gary Verzonden: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:30 PM Aan: oconne...@tamuracorp.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: RE: [PSES] EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2 Oh just to make everybody's days wors

Re: Theoretical normalized site attenuation values of ANSI C63.4

2011-07-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 23:11:37 +0800 (HKT), Derek Leung wrote: > The theoretical normalized site attenuation values of ANSI C63.4 > only upto 1GHz, where can I find the NSA values above 1 GHz? ANSI C63.4 doesn't require NSA above 1GHz, and, instead of NSA, method, ANSI C63.4-2009 refers CISPR 16-

RE: [PSES] EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2

2011-07-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
these little beasts. Do the emissions tests in all 4 quadrants - hi/lo line, min/max load. Never underestimate the evil that lurks within. Go ahead CISPR, make my day... Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Jim Hulbert Sent: Wednesday, July 0

RE: EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2

2011-07-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
the emissions tests in all 4 quadrants - hi/lo line, min/max load. Never underestimate the evil that lurks within. Go ahead CISPR, make my day... Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Jim Hulbert Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:01 AM To

Theoretical normalized site attenuation values of ANSI C63.4

2011-07-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear Experts, The theoretical normalized site attenuation values of ANSI C63.4 only upto 1GHz, where can I find the NSA values above 1 GHz? Best Regards, Derek. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Socie

RE: Position opening

2011-07-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
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RE: EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2

2011-07-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
riginal Message----- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Cortland Richmond Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:18 PM To: 'John Woodgate'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2 Story about external resistors... In a company no

Re: EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2

2011-07-06 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <003e01cc3b8b$42249b50$c66dd1f0$@earthlink.net>, dated Tue, 5 Jul 2011, Cortland Richmond writes: >In a company no longer living, we tested candidate computer power >supplies with resistive loads. One failed repeatedly and everyone was >puzzled. Then one day I noticed the emission

RE: EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2

2011-07-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
emissions with radiated video. *But only when NOT watching TV*. That is another issue, testing all operating modes. We now return to the regularly scheduled thread. Cortland Richmond KA5S -----Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sen

Re: EMC Table baove 1 GHz

2011-07-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
eering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can

Re: EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2

2011-07-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , dated Tue, 5 Jul 2011, Julian Jones writes: >Has anyone found a source of suitable  expansion cards with >configurable loads to allow loading to the maximum for harmonics >testing ?  I am struggling to think how my customers would be able to >do this ? As a lab we don?t have the

RE: EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2

2011-07-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
pardon me for saying so – isn’t it your clients’ job to provide the loads for a product they want tested? I would never have asked a test lab to provide one when I was in the desktop computer industry in the 1990’s (USA). Regards, Cortland Richmond KA5S From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p

EN61000-3-2 a1:2009 Clause C.10.2

2011-07-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
HI Has anyone found a source of suitable expansion cards with configurable loads to allow loading to the maximum for harmonics testing ? I am struggling to think how my customers would be able to do this ? As a lab we don’t have the capability to make these up. I don’t see how Clause C.10.2 w

IEEE EMC Soc UKRI event at Tyseley Railway Works Birmingham. - Wednesday July 13th 2011

2011-07-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Everyone The next EMC event organised by the UK & RI Chapter of the EMC Society is our flagship event of the year, with an opportunity to hear about the EMC of steam locomotives (!) and other transport-related EMC issues, plus a chance to look around a working steam locomotive works and the col

Re: EU Spec for Power Line Equipment

2011-07-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I certainly agree that it's not (shall we say) the most straightforward of standards to apply, which is why I selected the words in my previous post with some care... It is in the LVD standards list which was published in the OJ on 18 March 2011. Nick. On 4 Jul 2011, at 21:33, John Woodgate w

Re: EU Spec for Power Line Equipment

2011-07-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Thanks all Having got numerous resonses I now have the information I need, si onece again thanks for all the help. Regards Andy Andrew P. Price Principle Hardware Engineer, EMC Specialist SELEX GALILEO, A Finmeccanica Company Sigma House Basildon Essex SS14 3EL ( Tel : +44

Re: EU Spec for Power Line Equipment

2011-07-04 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <06068c0a-4d16-4ce6-95ed-976cabfff...@conformance.co.uk>, dated Mon, 4 Jul 2011, Nick Williams writes: >EN 50178 may be of use to you This standard was originally drafted as a 'comprehensive standard for everything'. After a lot of protest, its scope was restricted, but it contain

Re: EU Spec for Power Line Equipment

2011-07-04 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
EN 50178 may be of use to you. Nick. On 4 Jul 2011, at 11:14, Price, Andrew (SELEX GALILEO, UK) wrote: Hi all, Can anyone help me with: Which EU Harmonised specs would be used for Testing Power Line Monitoring Equipment that is to be used in Sub-S

Re: EU Spec for Power Line Equipment

2011-07-04 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
O, UK)" To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 6:14:51 AM Subject: EU Spec for Power Line Equipment Hi all, Can anyone help me with: Which EU Harmonised specs would be used for Testing Power Line Monitoring Equipment that is to be used in Sub-Stations Regards Andy Andre

Re: EU Spec for Power Line Equipment

2011-07-04 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , dated Mon, 4 Jul 2011, "Price, Andrew (SELEX GALILEO, UK)" writes: >Which EU Harmonised specs would be used for Testing Power Line >Monitoring Equipment that is to be used in Sub-Stations??? I think you must use the normal 'measuring instruments' standards. There is IEC TS 6100

EU Spec for Power Line Equipment

2011-07-04 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
One of the standards we test to is IEEE-1613 for our equipment used in sub-stations. Christopher --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Price, Andrew (SELEX GALILEO, UK) wrote: From: Price, Andrew (SELEX GALILEO, UK) Subject: EU Spec for Power Line Equipment To: emc-p...@ieee.org

RE: [PSES] EMC Table baove 1 GHz

2011-07-04 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Polystyrene is now sold in thick blocks for exterior building insulation in blocks of 100mm thick. It would only require 8 pieces to make an 800mm table. We use one of these on two plastic trestles. John McAuley From: Luke Turnbull [mailto:luke.turnb...@trw

Re: [PSES] EMC Table baove 1 GHz

2011-07-04 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
And if you want to make it really easy, you can just put 16 complete sheets of the material together to make an 80cm by 4 foot by 8 foot block. You may be able to get them in the bags that they are shipped in - I think they may come in bags of 10 - and then this keeps them together nicely in a blo

EU Spec for Power Line Equipment

2011-07-04 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi all, Can anyone help me with: Which EU Harmonised specs would be used for Testing Power Line Monitoring Equipment that is to be used in Sub-Stations Regards Andy Andrew P. Price Principle Hardware Engineer, EMC Specialist SELEX GALILEO, A Finmeccanica Company Sigma House Basildon

Re: Ballast for UV Curing Equipment

2011-07-02 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <59726f0f-c6a4-4bfc-b20e-92ec4f818...@yahoo.com>, dated Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Peter Merguerian writes: >I am looking for North American and European standards for electronic >ballast used for UV curing equipment. This equipment is used by >professionals in field applications of UV curabl

Ballast for UV Curing Equipment

2011-07-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello Group I am looking for North American and European standards for electronic ballast used for UV curing equipment. This equipment is used by professionals in field applications of UV curable materials in homes, offices, warehouses, factories, etc. Thanks Peter Merguerian Go Global Complian

Re: [PSES] EMC Table baove 1 GHz

2011-07-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The big building supply stores have ordered the stuff for us and in just about any size. Then we found the stuff was a little fragile, so we shrink wrapped it in some sort of blue colored plastic film. Then someone mentions the dielectric value of the blue stuff, so made a cheap and easy, relative

FW: Repeated Hi-Pot Testing - Destructive?

2011-07-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: Repeated Hi-Pot Testing - Destructive? Hello Esteemed Group, I have a question concerning repeated hi-pot testing in regard to whether or not it’s destructive. Background: Some electrical components are hi-pot tested before they’re shipped

Re: [PSES] EMC Table baove 1 GHz

2011-07-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
At HP in Vancouver we had a solid block of foam for the table. I'm not sure where they got it though. Here at Bose we built our table from the blue foam they sell at lumber yards. We get it as 2 inch thick 4x8 sheets. A hot wire cutter or bandsaw and a low temperature hot melt glue gun are t

EMC Table baove 1 GHz

2011-07-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Is anyone using polystyrene (a.k.a, Styrofoam) for their testing table above a gig? Where can you get polystyrene in large thicknesses? Does anyone know of a company that makes finished tables for high frequencies? Thanks, Bob Heller St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651-778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252

RE: Australian equipment grounding

2011-07-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Thank you, everyone. John Cochran From: Barry Esmore [mailto:bar...@melbpc.org.au] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:32 AM To: John Cochran; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Australian equipment grounding Hi John, The neutral and earth are not allowed to be connected at the appliance

Re: Australian equipment grounding

2011-07-01 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
une 30, 2011 1:23 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Australian equipment grounding We are building a computer cart for industrial use in Australia. I am looking at AS/NZS 3000:2007 to determine any changes in wiring practices compared with Europe. The wire colors appear to be the same, but t

RE: ANSI C63.4 volumetric NSA

2011-06-30 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
quite clear and the EUTs should not exceeed the volume where the NSA were successfully confirmed (volume of radius 0.75m in this case), but some may have other opinions. Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato URL: http://homepage3.nifty.com/tsato/ > -----Original Message- > From: emc-p...@

Re: UN 3091

2011-06-30 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Happy Canada Day amigo. Kaz gawzyjal Dell inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of N.Shani Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:54 AM To: EMC PSTC Subject: UN 3091 Web search of the above ter

Position opening

2011-06-30 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
We have an opening for an HSE Product Compliance Engineer. Below is a brief description. If interested in looking closer, the job number is 11B6 and can be viewed by going to the website https://vestas. aleo.net/careersection/global_external/unavailablerequisition.ftl

RE: UN 3091

2011-06-30 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of N.Shani Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:54 AM To: EMC PSTC Subject: UN 3091 Web search of the above term (UN 3091: Lithium metal batteries contained in equipment) turned out a lot of references, but no actual document. Can

RE: ANSI C63.4 volumetric NSA

2011-06-30 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
ssage- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of T.Sato Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:42 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: ANSI C63.4 volumetric NSA Dear EMC Experts, As we know, ANSI C63.4 requires volumetric NSA for alternative test sites, which means that we should evaluat

Re: ANSI C63.4 volumetric NSA

2011-06-30 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
en displayed using 100% recycled electrons and 100% pure virgin photons. --- On Thu, 6/30/11, T.Sato wrote: From: T.Sato Subject: ANSI C63.4 volumetric NSA To: emc-p...@ieee.org Date: Thursday, June 30, 2011, 8:41 AM

Re: UN 3091

2011-06-30 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
One reference for info about this subject in the USA... http://iccnexergy.com/regulatory-update /1195/us-dot-lithium-battery-rulemaking-overview/ Attitude is Mind over Matter. If you don't Mind, it doesn't Matter... This email has been displayed using 100% recycled electrons and 100%

UN 3091

2011-06-30 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Web search of the above term (UN 3091: Lithium metal batteries contained in equipment) turned out a lot of references, but no actual document. Can a kind soul point me to the location (and hopefully, downloadable) actual document? Happy Canada Day (July 1st) to all. N. Shani Ottawa, ON - --

ANSI C63.4 volumetric NSA

2011-06-30 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear EMC Experts, As we know, ANSI C63.4 requires volumetric NSA for alternative test sites, which means that we should evaluate NSA of the site at, in addition to the center, the points moved specific distance toward front, right, left (and back, maybe) from the center in general. Clause 5.4.6.5

Re: Regulatory for Audio products

2011-06-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , "Gartman, Richard" writes >My product development team is working on a product that has audio >capabilities, sound recording via external mic and a jack for external >speakers/head phone/ear buds. This product will also have video >recording and play back capabilities (cannot let

RE: Regulatory for Audio products

2011-06-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
still have not fixed the MSP430 errata Geez, I am bored stiff watching this stupid xfrmr cook... luck, Brian -Original Message----- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gartman, Richard Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:13 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Regu

Regulatory for Audio products

2011-06-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Panel of experts, My product development team is working on a product that has audio capabilities, sound recording via external mic and a jack for external speakers/head phone/ear buds. This product will also have video recording and play back capabilities (cannot let only the smart phone have all

Re: Australian equipment grounding

2011-06-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , Brian Oconnell writes >As for EU, the last I saw was that the new install stuff was, in fact, >TN-C-S, where the earth and neutral are joined after the distr sub and >before the building interrupt device. Perhaps someone (Mr Woodgate?) >can comment on this for at least the U.K. B

RE: Australian equipment grounding

2011-06-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
last year about 1km distance - they just let it burn out. Marshmallow and hot dog time, but no power interrupts. Brian -Original Message----- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Cochran Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 8:24 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:

Re: Australian equipment grounding

2011-06-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message , John Cochran writes >We are building a computer cart for industrial use in Australia.  I am >looking at AS/NZS 3000:2007 to determine any changes in wiring >practices compared with Europe.  The wire colors appear to be the same, >but the MEN grounding system is not clear.  In Aus

Australian equipment grounding

2011-06-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
We are building a computer cart for industrial use in Australia. I am looking at AS/NZS 3000:2007 to determine any changes in wiring practices compared with Europe. The wire colors appear to be the same, but the MEN grounding system is not clear. In Australia and New Zealand, the Neutral must be

job opening (slightly out of scope)

2011-06-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
All – I know that this posting is “slightly out-of-scope” - but the EMC and PS Engineers work alongside almost all types of engineers, so I thought I’d throw this out to the list. We have two job openings in Louisville, Colorado (near Boulder). One is a Power Electronics Engineer( Requisition

RE: MIL-STD-461F CS115 & CS116 Test Equipment

2011-06-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Desk: (248) 576-6915 Mobile: (248) 467-0639 Fax: (248) 576-7045 From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Price, Andrew (SELEX GALILEO, UK) Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:08 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: MIL-STD-461F CS115 & CS116 Test Equipmen

MIL-STD-461F CS115 & CS116 Test Equipment

2011-06-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi All Can the group advise on what they believe is the best test equipment for carrying out MIL-STD-461F CS115 and CS116 Testing. Have had a look at Solar, EMC Partner and Montana. All these manufacturers appear to offer the appopriate equipment but am looking for the equipment that provides t

RE: [PSES] LVD and US Safety Workplace Requirements for products.

2011-06-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
t;; which translates to "no puede entender". Brian -----Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of McInturff, Gary Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:09 AM To: jral...@productsafetyinc.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] LVD and US

RE: Li-Ion transportation

2011-06-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
There was a previous thread for ICAO and DOT requirements - should find it on a PSTC archive search. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of peterh...@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 10:13 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Li-Ion

RE: [PSES] LVD and US Safety Workplace Requirements for products.

2011-06-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Sorry overlooked that a bit and the problem seems gets worse as time goes on. Where as the trend had been to close ranks and reduce effort via CB reports, MRA’s and the like there seems to be a trend to separate US and EU standards on items not based on national differences. Plastic flammability is

RE: LVD and US Safety Workplace Requirements for products.

2011-06-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
recall, the majority of the additional requirements in the UL 61010 had to do with conduits and bringing AC mains to the device. Regards. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Peter Merguerian Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:20 AM To: Ian White (UK) Cc: IEEE

RE: [PSES] LVD and US Safety Workplace Requirements for products.

2011-06-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Painful is a relative word. We’ve seen the most painful part is the critical components. You don’t need UL R/C to get approvals outside the USA. Either change the components to be UL or plan on testing them all. From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Tuesday, June

RE: [PSES] LVD and US Safety Workplace Requirements for products.

2011-06-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
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Re: LVD and US Safety Workplace Requirements for products.

2011-06-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
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RE: LVD and US Safety Workplace Requirements for products.

2011-06-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello Ian, There are national differences in the USA for IEC/EN 61010-1. Therefore, you need to get a copy of ANSI/UL 61010-1 and work with an established NRTL. Best regards, Ron From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ian White (UK) Sent: Tuesday, June 28

LVD and US Safety Workplace Requirements for products.

2011-06-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
We are thinking of having a electronic product approved for the USA market. It has all the required CE marking approvals of LVD and EMC. This product would be used in the workplace and l would think comes under Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) NRTL programme. As l u

Li-Ion transportation

2011-06-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello all, What are the trasnportation requirements if a product contains Li-Ion battery? Can the battery be installed in the product when being shipped or does it need to be dismantelled prior to being shipped? Thank you Peter - ---

RE: electrical subassemblies CE and DoC

2011-06-27 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
No worries Nick, that’s what this forum is all about!! John Allen Product Safety Consulting, Inc. 605 Country Club Drive, Suites I & J Bensenville, IL 60106 P - 630 238-0188 / F - 630 238-0269 1-877-804-3066 jral...@productsafetyinc.com http://www.productsafetyinc.com

Re: electrical subassemblies CE and DoC

2011-06-27 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Gary If they are only spare parts for specific equipment equipment which is itself properly CE marked, and they don't affect the CE status of the complete equipment, then they do not need to be CE marked. If you still feel you need to make some statement about their status then you are free to iss

Re: electrical subassemblies CE and DoC

2011-06-27 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
You can't issue a Declaration of Incorporation for something which is not within the scope of the Machinery Directive. Just because something is a component of a machine does not necessarily make it 'machinery' so far as the Machinery Directive is concerned. For most machinery electrical equipment

RE: electrical subassemblies CE and DoC

2011-06-27 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
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