Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-03 Thread Brian Oconnell
I am not a power supply designer - but all of the people in this lab are -> so guilt by association. Do not know of any commercial LED drivers that use linear converters, so you are probably stuck with SMPS noise. I made a linear driver for cactus LED array for a xmas decoration - but had to caref

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-02 Thread Ed Price
V.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber In message , dated Fri, 1 Mar 2013, don_borow...@selinc.com writes: >John is right. You want to feed LEDs a constant current, and let them >drop whatever voltage they need. If I am not mistaken, LEDs have a &

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread Rene Charton/Twn/TUV
If the multi-string controllers are switched-mode, then we have the RFI problem again. Or, can the switching frequency be set to 500 Hz, so the 10th harmonic becomes 5 kHz which is below 9 kHz ? twisting the wires will also help for the frequency range 9 kHz to 30 MHz. Rene Charton

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread Rene Charton/Twn/TUV
I dimly remember the LED forward voltage voltage varies with temperature. I think you definitely will need a currrent source. I think the LEDs must all be connected in series. Do you have LEDs that can carry 3 Amps? 2 serial strings in parallel should also be possible, but then the LEDs must be

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread Ken Javor
In my post, "luminary" started out "luminaire." But spell check "fixed" it for me. Should have been more vigilant. Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: John Woodgate > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 18:33:09 + > To: > Subject: Re: LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber > > In me

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread Brian Oconnell
Most mondo very mucho correct about string current imbalance. Look at reference designs by TI and others that use multi-string controllers. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 10:33 AM To: EMC-P

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread Brian Oconnell
Conflict Alert - my employer makes LED drivers and LED array systems for commercial stuff. Heed Mr Woodgate - you must have CC source. TI and others make some nice LED driver controller ICs. Look at their app notes. You have do the tradeoffs correctly, or you will have a illumnation system with LE

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Fri, 1 Mar 2013, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: I know the topics about LED current sourcing and temp coefficient, but as my power source is limited at 3 amps, which also is the full load current of the LEDs, there is no risk of dead LEDS due to te

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
I know the topics about LED current sourcing and temp coefficient, but as my power source is limited at 3 amps, which also is the full load current of the LEDs, there is no risk of dead LEDS due to temp runaway. There are 10 LEDS in series and 10 of these chains in parallel. http://www.ebay.co

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Fri, 1 Mar 2013, don_borow...@selinc.com writes: John is right. You want to feed LEDs a constant current, and let them drop whatever voltage they need. If I am not mistaken, LEDs have a negative voltage temperature coefficient. With this being the case, feeding a constant

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread Don_Borowski
John is right. You want to feed LEDs a constant current, and let them drop whatever voltage they need. If I am not mistaken, LEDs have a negative voltage temperature coefficient. With this being the case, feeding a constant voltage will cause the current to increase as the diodes warm up. The a

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread Ken Javor
A long time ago I responded on this topic (maybe another thread) that the way to do this is have the luminary itself and all wiring outside the chamber; that guarantees no rfi from the lighting system. The way this is done is using a light pipe installed through a stuffing tube to introduce the lig

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message , dated Fri, 1 Mar 2013, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: I will try using a voltage stabilizer first. If the terminal voltage varies much with temperature a current driver approach may be necessary. I strongly advise you to use a current source. -- OOO - O

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
I am building some new 4 x 100 Watt LED luminaires supplied by 35 Volts DC @ 3 Amps. I'll LED you know my experiences in a few weeks I will try using a voltage stabilizer first. If the terminal voltage varies much with temperature a current driver approach may be necessary. These 10x10 LEDS

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread Cortland Richmond
You need a constant-current source; how about an adjustable 3 terminal regulator set up as one? Cortland Richmond On 3/1/2013 0900, Rene Charton/Twn/TUV wrote: ...ideas to generate a clean DC current? - This message is from t

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread Rene Charton/Twn/TUV
Has anyone tried the following: - disassemble the LED lamps and separate the LED portion from the Driver Portion - put a filter at the point of entry into the chamber - Have the LED portion in the chamber, and the driver circuits outside the chamber. == second try: - op

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting

2013-02-04 Thread Kunde, Brian
g any sort of overall product measurement I simply turn off the lights and close the door. So much for stating the obvious. Gary -Original Message- From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:39 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES]

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting

2013-02-04 Thread Brian Oconnell
My employer makes LED lighting assemblies and drivers for custom industrial market. They do, in fact, make some amount noise. The only super-quiet LED illum would be if the power driver is located external to chamber and DC power feed is filtered; or if the LED driver is a linear DC device. LED ar

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting

2013-02-04 Thread Brent DeWitt
>Sent: Feb 4, 2013 1:22 PM >To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG >Subject: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting > >Has anyone tried out LED Lighting in EMC test chambers? If so, can you share >your experience, opinions, likes and dislikes, and cost? > >I have recently seen several ads for LE

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting

2013-02-04 Thread Nic Johnson
ny of them. Nic Johnson -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 12:22 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting Has anyone tried out LED Lighting in EMC test chambers? If so, can you share

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting

2013-02-04 Thread McInturff, Gary
lights and close the door. So much for stating the obvious. Gary -Original Message- From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:39 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting I saw an amazing display of LED s

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting

2013-02-04 Thread Ken Wyatt
Hi Brian, I've tested a variety of "60 to 100 W equivalent" CFL and LED lamps. They all have SMPSs built in to their bases with a varying quality of filtering. While most of the lamps are made in China, in general the U.S. brands are not too bad for RE or CE, however, I'd stay away from the off

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting

2013-02-04 Thread Schaefer, David
David Schaefer -Original Message- From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 12:39 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting I saw an amazing display of LED shield room lightning. The LEDs (and more importantly)

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting

2013-02-04 Thread Ken Javor
r [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 12:39 PM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting > > I saw an amazing display of LED shield room lightning. The LEDs (and more > importantly) all the wiring, are totally ou

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting

2013-02-04 Thread Ken Javor
I saw an amazing display of LED shield room lightning. The LEDs (and more importantly) all the wiring, are totally outside the chamber. A light pipe penetrates the chamber ceiling at regular intervals through a stuffing tube (waveguide beyond cut off). It should be noted that this chamber has whit

[PSES] LED Chamber Lighting

2013-02-04 Thread Kunde, Brian
Has anyone tried out LED Lighting in EMC test chambers? If so, can you share your experience, opinions, likes and dislikes, and cost? I have recently seen several ads for LED Light Fixtures and replacement kits where a 100watt LED light can replace a 400 watt Metal Halide bulb or fixture. But I