Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread Ted Eckert
PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question There's always Ireland... -- Dan Roman, N.C.E. IEEE Senior Member dan.ro...@ieee.org<mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org> dan.n2...@verizon.net<mailto:dan.n2...@verizon.net>

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread Dan Roman
There's always Ireland... ⁣-- Dan Roman, N.C.E. IEEE Senior Member dan.ro...@ieee.org dan.n2...@verizon.net​ On Aug 23, 2019, 7:06 PM, at 7:06 PM, Doug Powell wrote: >Thanks all, > >As always, the discussion is interesting and also surprising in some >ways. > >Have a great weekend, > >Doug > > >

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread Doug Powell
Thanks all, As always, the discussion is interesting and also surprising in some ways. Have a great weekend, Doug Douglas E Powell Laporte, Colorado USA doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 1:01 AM Doug Powell wrote: > All, > > I haven't written a Fri

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread John Woodgate
That's the same comma (Polygonia c-album) whose flapping wings caused the hurricane. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-08-23 15:57, Ted Eckert wrote: I’ll note that even the incorrect use of punctuation can c

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread Ted Eckert
on-an-absent-comma Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions experessed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: John Woodgate Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 7:34 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread John Woodgate
You have 'yet to see' because you are setting a very high standard. In your example, 'apparatus' without any qualification (I.e. adjective, such as 'electronic') means 'all apparatus'. 'Includes... or' is strictly wrong simply because there are in fact no two cases (like 'apples or pears'). Whe

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread Gert Gremmen
 > I think it would be very difficult to get ambiguous language accepted by National Committees, the Chairman and Secretary of the committee and the Central Office editors. On that topic we do differ in opinion. I have yet to see a standard which is fully clear, complete and exhaustive and pr

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread John Woodgate
Yes, of course I know about ISO/IEC Directives Part 2 and CEN/CENELEC IRs Part 3, but in 2005 when I wrote the document these rules were not widely known (and they still aren't known widely enough). What 'makes a difference in a legal sense' is a very big subject indeed. How 'creative' is your

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread Gert Gremmen
Hi John, Great many thank's ;<) I will study them and use them for the benefit of standardization. You must be aware of Internal Regulations 3 (CENELEC) that included some of your "must", "shall" and similar constructions to use and not use. Thank you for noticing my own euro-english (must b

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread John Woodgate
Hello, Gert. In my opinion, there is no 'factually wrong' for British English. We don't have an 'Academy' as in France.  The only thing you can say about 'I were going to work' is that 'were' is 'contrary to usage', which is 'was'. Of course, some wordings may be more 'contrary to usage' than o

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread Gert Gremmen
Hi John (et al), I noticed with quite interest your statement on the Euro-English; do you think that is where it shall go within the next years, eventually ? I'd appreciate if you would provide us with other (many please) examples of -factually wrong- but common phrases as found in EU languag

Re: [PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread John Woodgate
Two points: *  EN standards are not 'European Norms', which were/are a very old set of standards to do with the Coal and Steel Community, a forerunner of the EU. ENs are 'European Standards'. * Nominally, 'British English' is used, but since no-one knows exactly what that is, few peo

[PSES] User Documents & EU Official Languages, Friday Question

2019-08-23 Thread Doug Powell
All, I haven't written a Friday Question in some time, so here is a new installment. With the exit of Britain for the European Union (Brexit), I find it interesting but not surprising that English remains one of the official languages, at least for now. For many years there has been a large body