Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

2013-11-11 Thread Peter Tarver
-Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 10:46 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] standards update and legal madness None of this is a representation of my employer. A company makes a component for North American

Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

2013-11-11 Thread McInturff, Gary
-Original Message- From: John Shinn [mailto:jmsh...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 1:09 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness 1. John Woodgate makes an excellent point regarding why didn't the manufacture know about the Standard

Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

2013-11-09 Thread Pat Lawler
- The customer could also view the situation as the standards body performing due diligence, and making corrections to the standard when they discover issues. Performing standards maintenance helps protect the customer in case of user lawsuits. - I wonder if there's an 'errors and omissions'

Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

2013-11-09 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Brian: ... they want to see complete list of organizations and individuals that contributed to the errors that caused a mandatory update to the standard. Errors is an assumption made by the customer lawyers. I would disagree that the mandatory updates were due to errors. Seldom do published

Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

2013-11-09 Thread Brian Oconnell
FWIW, the legal dorks seem to be backing off. Probably because they did not see a big pay day. Agree, in part, with Mr. Woodgate that the industry 'gets what they deserve'. But we have previously discussed the limits of corporate and individual participation in the standards development

Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

2013-11-09 Thread John Woodgate
In message e2bb98c9e17843a6ad8d5d1d6159b...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook.com , dated Sat, 9 Nov 2013, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: The other reason will never serve on a committee is that I am not an expert on any single subject area, That's NOT a disadvantage, at

[PSES] standards update and legal madness

2013-11-08 Thread Brian Oconnell
None of this is a representation of my employer. A company makes a component for North American market designed for the needs of a single customer. The company received notices from CSA and UL with tabulation of standards corrections. The company informed affected customer of time and cost to

Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

2013-11-08 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
. Mike Sherman Product Safety and Compliance Engineer Graco Inc. - Original Message - From: Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Friday, November 8, 2013 12:45:43 PM Subject: [PSES] standards update and legal madness None

Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

2013-11-08 Thread John Woodgate
In message 518cfcd229674efe916347038430c...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook.com , dated Fri, 8 Nov 2013, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: A company makes a component for North American market designed for the needs of a single customer. The company received notices from CSA

Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

2013-11-08 Thread John Shinn
- From: John Woodgate Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 11:45 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness In message 518cfcd229674efe916347038430c...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook.com , dated Fri, 8 Nov 2013, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com

Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

2013-11-08 Thread Brian Oconnell
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness 1. John Woodgate makes an excellent point regarding why didn't the manufacture know about the Standard Changes. 2. Does the manufacturer build to the customer's prints and requirements? If so, why didn't the customer know about

Re: [PSES] standards update and legal madness

2013-11-08 Thread John Woodgate
In message ec11e1c1995c4e5a9a1245d6b62d3...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook.com , dated Sat, 9 Nov 2013, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: The notices used phrases such as correction of typographical errors and correction of incorrect requirements and correction of