Re: [PSES] Draft SAE ARP-958E EMI Measurement Antennas; Calibration Method: Deeply flawed Revision E is nearing completion and balloting

2021-01-05 Thread Ken Javor
: [PSES] Draft SAE ARP-958E EMI Measurement Antennas; Calibration Method: Deeply flawed Revision E is nearing completion and balloting Estonian Standards are great If you purchase a 2 user licence (about 25% more), you can copy/paste text and are not restricted to single PC/laptop Best regards

Re: [PSES] Draft SAE ARP-958E EMI Measurement Antennas; Calibration Method: Deeply flawed Revision E is nearing completion and balloting

2021-01-05 Thread Charlie Blackham
and Wales, number 05466247 From: Ken Wyatt Sent: 05 January 2021 15:56 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Draft SAE ARP-958E EMI Measurement Antennas; Calibration Method: Deeply flawed Revision E is nearing completion and balloting Hi Ken, You can get the EN version of CISPR 25 from

Re: [PSES] Draft SAE ARP-958E EMI Measurement Antennas; Calibration Method: Deeply flawed Revision E is nearing completion and balloting

2021-01-05 Thread Ken Wyatt
Javor > Phone: (256) 650-5261 > > > From: John Woodgate > > Organization: J M Woodgate and Associates > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:02:10 + > To: Ken Javor >, > > Subject: Re: [PSES] Draft SAE ARP-958E EMI Measurement Antennas; Calibration > Method: Deeply

Re: [PSES] 41 " Rod Antennas [General Use]

2019-04-30 Thread Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK)
Thanks to all that replied. The information will help decide whether to invest in a replacement active rod antenna or fin a better amplifier with a better noise figure. Regards Andy Andrew Price Land & Naval Defence Electronics Division Prinicpal

Re: [PSES] 41 " Rod Antennas [General Use]

2019-04-26 Thread Ken Javor
o, UK)" Reply-To: "Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK)" Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 06:43:54 + To: Conversation: 41 " Rod Antennas [General Use] Subject: [PSES] 41 " Rod Antennas [General Use] Hi all, Is there anyone who has done an ambient noise floor analysis of 41² r

[PSES] 41 " Rod Antennas [General Use]

2019-04-25 Thread Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK)
Hi all, Is there anyone who has done an ambient noise floor analysis of 41" rod antennas to determine those with the best performance. This question comes as a result of the changes to DEF STAN 59-411 Part 3 Issue 3 where DRE03.B is being incorporated into DRE01.B and the limit

Re: [PSES] 3115-PA & 3116C-PA Horn Antennas with Pre-amplifiers

2015-09-21 Thread Ed Price
broadband antennas often were very inefficient at their band edges. My choice was to use a 3115 style antenna only from 1-12 GHz, and then switch to a K-band traditional pyramidal horn for 12-18 GHz. The 3115-style antenna AF starts to climb badly above about 15 GHz. (I always used octave-band horns

[PSES] 3115-PA & 3116C-PA Horn Antennas with Pre-amplifiers

2015-09-20 Thread Grace Lin
Dear Members, Does anyone have experience using the 3115-PA and 3116C-PA? http://ets-lindgren.com/3115-PA http://ets-lindgren.com/3116c-PA More specifically, does the amplifier work good with the antenna? The design eliminates a cable between the antenna and the preamplifier. Thank you very

[PSES] Some recent articles (GaN and EMI, Aaronia antennas, spherical dipole comb gen)

2015-07-07 Thread Ken Wyatt
/4439839/GaN-technology-and-the-potential-for-EMI Review: The Aaronia BicoLOG 30100X and HyperLOG 7060 EMI antennas http://www.edn.com/electronics-blogs/the-emc-blog/4439826/Review--The-Aaronia-BicoLOG-30100X-and-HyperLOG-7060-EMI-antennas Review: The AET USDS spherical harmonic comb generator http

Re: [PSES] Fwd: [PSES] Biconilog antennas and ANSI C63.4:2009

2012-01-16 Thread Martin E. Cormier
n-between. It's just frustrating that it will probably mean additional expenses and elongated certification time, while affecting our uncertainty figure due to the manipulation needed to change antennas many times a day. I will not look at lab promotional documents showing a nic

Re: [PSES] Fwd: [PSES] Biconilog antennas and ANSI C63.4:2009

2012-01-16 Thread Pettit, Ghery
I was going to stay out of this, but I feel I must jump in. Harry's position is not the unanimous position of the members of C63 SC 1. 3 different members presented data at the October meeting that indicate that the difference in results between hybrid antennas and bicon/log periodic antennas

[PSES] Biconilog antennas and ANSI C63.4:2009

2012-01-13 Thread Martin E. Cormier
using biconilog broadband antennas for measurements from 30MHz to 1GHz. Table 1 does not explicitely list combination antennas as allowed, but both biconicals and bilogs are listed as OK for this frequency range. Has anyone here been subjected to accreditation issues for using biconilogs

Re: [PSES] Biconilog antennas and ANSI C63.4:2009

2012-01-13 Thread John Woodgate
In message 4f102e11.7000...@matrox.com, dated Fri, 13 Jan 2012, Martin E. Cormier mcorm...@matrox.com writes: (Sorry if my English is bad, second language for me) It isn't bad at all. Just don't get too ambitious; keep it simple. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and

Re: [PSES] Biconilog antennas and ANSI C63.4:2009

2012-01-13 Thread Martin E. Cormier
Thanks for this unequivocally clear answer. We'll take appropriate measures while it is still time. I can't help but hope that the committee starts accepting these "new" antennas in the near future. Martin On 2012-01-13 9:15 AM, Bill St

Re: [PSES] Biconilog antennas and ANSI C63.4:2009

2012-01-13 Thread Kunde, Brian
This really begs the question, Why?. Bicon-log antennas have been out for more than 20 years, have been and are currently being used by many labs for many years, are calibrated under the same test conditions that Bicon and Log antennas are, so what's the deal? Is there some major problem

Re: [PSES] Biconilog antennas and ANSI C63.4:2009

2012-01-13 Thread Bill Stumpf
Brian, Unfortunately not all hybrid antennas are equal, and studies done in the past and more recently have indicated rather large uncertainties in measurement when using some of these antennas. ANSI C63.4:2009 does not currently include the hybrid designs in the list of acceptable antennas

Re: [PSES] Biconilog antennas and ANSI C63.4:2009

2012-01-13 Thread Jim Hulbert
The words such as in paragraph 3 of claus D.1 would indicate that biconical and log-periodic dipole array antennas are examples of broadband antennas, not an exhaustive list. Poorly worded if the intent was to specify the acceptable types of broadband antennas and to exclude any types. Jim

RE: AM antennas

2009-05-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: AM antennas In message c625cfc7.410f9%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, dated Tue, 5 May 2009, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes: Close, but those loops were not tuned, to my knowledge. I don't know about US consoles, but in Britain, they were definitely tuned. Mostly used

RE: AM antennas

2009-05-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Thanks all for the inputs on this subject. Regards richard From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 1:06 PM To: Untitled Subject: Re: AM antennas As usual, Mr. Woodgate is precisely correct. That is a technique used by many listeners

Re: AM antennas

2009-05-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
...@jmwa.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:53:50 +0100 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: AM antennas In message c625ab7f.41090%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, dated Tue, 5 May 2009, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes: A decent-sized multi-turn loop (say a foot to a meter in diameter

Re: AM antennas

2009-05-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message c625ab7f.41090%ken.ja...@emccompliance.com, dated Tue, 5 May 2009, Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes: A decent-sized multi-turn loop (say a foot to a meter in diameter) that is tuned to resonance at the frequency of interest (using an air variable cap or remotely

Re: AM antennas

2009-05-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:06:20 -0700 To: Untitled emc-p...@ieee.org Conversation: AM antennas Subject: RE: AM antennas Isn’t that preciously what was used in the 1930’s console (floor) radios? “A decent-sized multi-turn loop (say a foot to a meter in diameter) that is tuned to resonance

Re: AM antennas

2009-05-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: Haynes, Tim (SELEX GALILEO, UK) tim.hay...@selexgalileo.com List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:03:38 +0100 To: Untitled emc-p...@ieee.org Conversation: AM antennas

RE: AM antennas

2009-05-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 6:38 AM To: Untitled Subject: Re: AM antennas I believe the preference is a matter of personal needs – there is no absolute “best choice.” A vertical wire cut to a quarter wavelength over a ground plane at least a quarter wavelength

RE: AM antennas

2009-05-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
of people in the world-those who understand binary and those who don't. J. Paxman From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ken Javor Sent: 05 May 2009 14:38 To: Untitled Subject: Re: AM antennas *** WARNING

Re: AM antennas

2009-05-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
-pstc@listserv.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:24:01 -0400 To: Pettit, Ghery ghery.pet...@intel.com, Kim Boll Jensen k...@bolls.dk, EMC PSTC emc-p...@ieee.org Conversation: AM antennas Subject: AM antennas Hello group Is there a preferred AM antenna (Loop

AM antennas

2009-05-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello group Is there a preferred AM antenna (Loop or Vertical Type) to connect locally to receiver for best reception thru out New England area incl. NY. Thanks Richard, From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:01 AM To:

High frequency Antennas for EM surveys

2008-12-04 Thread Price, Andrew (SELEX GALILEO, UK)
Hi everyone I am looking for an Antenna 1GHz to 18GHz that can be used for em survey work. This antenna is required for measureing EM fields inside vehicles as well as outside. The standard double ridge horn has too much directivity. I have already identified an antenna to cover the frequency

RE: High frequency Antennas for EM surveys

2008-12-04 Thread Price, Edward
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Price, Andrew (SELEX GALILEO, UK) Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:56 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: High frequency Antennas for EM surveys

RE: High frequency Antennas for EM surveys

2008-12-04 Thread Dennis Camell
I second those antennas. We’ve used the ARA conical monopoles 1-18GHz with enough success. Dennis Camell National Institute of Standards and Technology From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Price, Edward Sent: Thursday, December 04

Probes and Antennas

2008-06-01 Thread reheller
What European standard are probes tested under? If I am selling a broadband probe from 1 MHz to 3 GHZ and a preamp for the probe, what standard do I test to? What standards do antenna manufacturers test to? Are there immunity exclusion bands for these devices? Thanks, Bob Heller 3M Company St.

Re: Probes and Antennas

2008-06-01 Thread John Woodgate
In message of59d286c2.6b7a9dd7-on8625745b.00445103-8625745b.0044f...@mmm.com, dated Sun, 1 Jun 2008, rehel...@mmm.com writes: What European standard are probes tested under? If I am selling a broadband probe from 1 MHz to 3 GHZ and a preamp for the probe, what standard do I test to? For

RE: EU DoC for Antennas

2007-12-17 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
to the following: http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/rtte/tcam8.htm#antennas 23. Are antennas covered by the Directive? specifically: 3. Passive antennas are not considered as relevant components in their own right under Article 2(c) of the RTTE Directive, and thus fall outside

RE: EU DoC for Antennas

2007-12-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
, are covered as such by the Directive and must be CE marked. If one were to make an inductive loop antenna that needed to be assessed for hazardous voltage, it could be viewed in the same light as the transformer in the excerpt. As the RTTED includes the LVD and EMCD, it looks like at least some antennas

Re: EU DoC for Antennas

2007-12-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 8b3bf7a02b910640ab146a919ab3659404c5c...@exsvl03.hq.netapp.com, dated Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Kim, Ben ben@netapp.com writes: For some intentional radiators, FCC doesn't allow to use popular connector/jack for antenna. Please check whether your products are regulated under FCC Part

RE: EU DoC for Antennas

2007-12-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
...@ieee.org Subject: Re: EU DoC for Antennas In message 2a93eb060712110730w1f0425c7u5d068e4249cf6...@mail.gmail.com, dated Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com writes: Does a manufacturer need to have an EU Declaration of Conformity for antennas which work with hand-held remote controllers

RE: EU DoC for Antennas

2007-12-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
DoC for Antennas In message 2a93eb060712110730w1f0425c7u5d068e4249cf6...@mail.gmail.com, dated Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com writes: Does a manufacturer need to have an EU Declaration of Conformity for antennas which work with hand-held remote controllers?  The antenna contains

RE: EU DoC for Antennas

2007-12-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:52 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: EU DoC for Antennas In message 2a93eb060712110730w1f0425c7u5d068e4249cf6...@mail.gmail.com, dated Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Grace Lin graceli

Re: EU DoC for Antennas

2007-12-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 2a93eb060712110730w1f0425c7u5d068e4249cf6...@mail.gmail.com, dated Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com writes: Does a manufacturer need to have an EU Declaration of Conformity for antennas which work with hand-held remote controllers?  The antenna contains

EU DoC for Antennas

2007-12-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear Members, Does a manufacturer need to have an EU Declaration of Conformity for antennas which work with hand-held remote controllers? The antenna contains no electronic circuit. A RF device typically is certified with certain models of antennas. For antenna itself (shipping separately

RE: 0dBi antennas?

2007-04-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
printing this email. From: Jim Eichner [mailto:jim.eich...@xantrex.com] Sent: 23 April 2007 19:11 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Jim Eichner Subject: RE: 0dBi antennas? Thanks Neil. You've confirmed a position I've been taking, that we have to meet the 10mW outdoors Ch. 11-13 limit for France, or we

RE: 0dBi antennas?

2007-04-23 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From: Barker, Neil Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 12:04 AM To: Jim Eichner; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: 0dBi antennas

RE: 0dBi antennas?

2007-04-20 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
453571 Mob: (+44) 7801 723735 P Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: Jim Eichner [mailto:jim.eich...@xantrex.com] Sent: 19 April 2007 23:16 To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Jim Eichner Subject: RE: 0dBi antennas? Thanks for the responses for far everyone. Dave

RE: 0dBi antennas?

2007-04-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From: David Cuthbert [mailto:dcuthb...@linear.com] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:25 PM To: 'David Cuthbert'; Jim Eichner; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: 0dBi antennas? Jim, If your need is for transmit only you can choose to run

RE: 0dBi antennas?

2007-04-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
a couple of times with good results. Dave Cuthbert From: David Cuthbert [mailto:dcuthb...@linear.com] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:18 PM To: 'Jim Eichner'; 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: RE: 0dBi antennas? Jim, For an antenna producing a dipole-like radiation pattern you will need at least

RE: 0dBi antennas?

2007-04-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
: Thursday, April 19, 2007 12:09 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Cc: Jim Eichner Subject: 0dBi antennas? We have a situation that has me scratching my head. An ISM-band wireless device that we are using has lowest output power setting of 10mW. We are trying to limit our power across the whole band to 10mW

Re: 0dBi antennas?

2007-04-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message de87437fe365cb458c265ea3d73b6f1d027d1...@xbc-mail1.xantrex.com, dated Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Jim Eichner jim.eich...@xantrex.com writes: I can't help with the source but I may with the reasoning. The search has led me to revisit the theory, in particular that antenna gain is really a

0dBi antennas?

2007-04-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
We have a situation that has me scratching my head. An ISM-band wireless device that we are using has lowest output power setting of 10mW. We are trying to limit our power across the whole band to 10mW e.i.r.p so that we can obey the France 10mW restriction for outdoor use in channels 11-13.

Re: MIL-STD-461E RE102 Antennas

2007-02-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Rod antennas can be either passively matched or active. Most antenna sold today are active. This makes them easier to use (no band-switching) but they are easier to overload. There were a couple remotely controlled passive antennas where the band-switching was controlled by the receiver

RE: MIL-STD-461E RE102 Antennas

2007-02-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: Charles Blackham [mailto:charles.black...@sulisconsultants.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:41 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: MIL-STD-461E RE102 Antennas Group MIL-STD-461E section 5.16.3.2 specifies very detailed dimensional requirements for Antennas used for emissions

MIL-STD-461E RE102 Antennas

2007-02-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Group MIL-STD-461E section 5.16.3.2 specifies very detailed dimensional requirements for Antennas used for emissions testing to RE102. With the exception of the 30-200 MHz Bi-Conical, I'm having difficulty locating suitable antennas: - can anyone recommend specific Rod and Double-ridge Horn

Antennas for VSA Tests in Semi Anechoic Chamber

2007-01-09 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Happy New Year to all We are looking at purchasing sets of biconical and log periodic antennas for performing VSA tests internally on our semi-anechoic chamber. I have a couple of sets in mind, but was wondering if anybody out there had good experiences / suggestions / or lessons learned

RE: Antennas for Volumetric Site Attenuation Measurement

2006-10-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello all, We have used Bilog antennas for NSA at 3 and 10 meters using geometry specific antenna factors for both distances, I had difficulty getting VCCI to accept the data. Care must be taken where the delta Af/MHz is big (30 to 100 MHz) to insure there is no frequency difference between

RE: Antennas for Volumetric Site Attenuation Measurement

2006-10-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Grace, The difficulty with using biconolog antennas is their large size. They tend to interfere with each other at close distances. It is unlikely that you will be able to meet site attenuation requirements below 100 MHz for a 3 meter test distance. If you are only performing 10 meter test

RE: Antennas for Volumetric Site Attenuation Measurement

2006-10-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
David The uncertainty would be based on the calibration uncertainties of the respective antennas, plus any consideration for the phase center changes (measurement distance) related to the antennas used. For example if you used two biconicals to transmit and a bilog to receive then the phase center

RE: Antennas for Volumetric Site Attenuation Measurement

2006-10-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Of Mowbray, John H Sent: 11 October 2006 21:45 To: Grace Lin; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Antennas for Volumetric Site Attenuation Measurement Grace My experience is that VCCI will accept the use of a bilog hybrid when it is the recieving antenna for you normal measurements, but you need to use

RE: Antennas for Volumetric Site Attenuation Measurement

2006-10-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
John, What is the effect on 'uncertainty' calculation if a different set of antennas is used for NSA? . Honeywell David W. Sterner Quality Assurance Engineering Security Custom Electronics 165 Eileen Way

RE: Antennas for Volumetric Site Attenuation Measurement

2006-10-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
] On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:19 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Antennas for Volumetric Site Attenuation Measurement Dear Members, Does anyone have a successful experience in volumetric site attenuation (per ANSI C63.4, etc.) by using a pair of bilog hybrid

RE: Antennas for Volumetric Site Attenuation Measurement

2006-10-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Grace My experience is that VCCI will accept the use of a bilog hybrid when it is the recieving antenna for you normal measurements, but you need to use biconical, log-periodic, or their diplole antennas for transmitting during the validation measurements. John Mowbray, P. Eng. Senior EMC

Antennas for Volumetric Site Attenuation Measurement

2006-10-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear Members, Does anyone have a successful experience in volumetric site attenuation (per ANSI C63.4, etc.) by using a pair of bilog hybrid antennas (30MHz to 2 or 3 GHz)? A VIP from VCCI told me that I would be challenged by using a pair of bilog hybrid antennas to perform volumetric

Re: Antennas for Volumetric Site Attenuation Measurement

2006-10-11 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I can't speak about using hybrid antennas for NSA volumetric site attenuation measurements. However, depending on the amount of work you perform, you may consider buying two antennas anyway, since it is good to have a backup in case one is damaged or has to go out for calibration. I've used both

Looking To Purchase EMCO Antennas

2006-07-19 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
To all: Posted for Bill Ports: I'm looking to purchase (2) EMCO horn antennas: (1) Model 3161-02 (2-4 GHz Horn) and (1) Model 3161-03 (4-8 GHz Horn) If you have these antennas and are looking to sell them please contact Bill Ports at the below contact information: Bill Ports (Ext

RE: CE marking of antennas

2006-03-30 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
djumbdenst...@tycoint.com From: Gemma Paolo [mailto:paolo.ge...@siemens.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:03 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org; schan...@frontiernet.net Subject: RE: CE marking of antennas Make attention that under RTTE directive some antennas shall CE mark; look on http

Re: CE marking of antennas - Don, I think this anwers your origianl question

2006-03-30 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I would have thought that since there is no specific directive addressing antennas, CE marking would be pointless, however Paolo is dead on. Looks like it falls under the RTTE Directive. Thanks Paolo! Andy Garcia Andres Garcia, NCE Staff Product Compliance Engineer Beckman Coulter, Inc

RE: CE marking of antennas

2006-03-30 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Make attention that under RTTE directive some antennas shall CE mark; look on http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/rtte/tcam8.htm#antennas Paolo Gemma Siemens S.p.A. COM CRD MW ST EMC Safety SS Padana sup. KM 158 20060 Cassina de' Pecchi (MI) Italy phone +39 022437 6587fax +39

Re: CE marking of antennas

2006-03-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message AE34E7FDD9D01F42994924D4C4EB6A4F0C19EA86@flbocexu05, dated Mon, 27 Mar 2006, UMBDENSTOCK, DON djumbdenst...@tycoint.com writes Given an antenna that can be used with any radio, is it possible or required to CE mark the antenna for EU applications? I don't see what Directive you could

RE: CE marking of antennas

2006-03-29 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
of antennas All points well taken. Antennas in question may be covered by the Things that you can poke your eye out with directive. This also applies to sharp pencils and scissors carried while running. :) There seems to be some (a lot?) of applying a CE mark for the sake of it (perhaps marketing

Fw: CE marking of antennas

2006-03-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
: CE marking of antennas AM

RE: CE marking of antennas

2006-03-28 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
, it would be interesting to see where this discussion goes. I hope this helps. Regards Tim From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: 27 March 2006 19:28 To: UMBDENSTOCK, DON; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: CE marking of antennas *** WARNING

Re: CE marking of antennas

2006-03-27 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
All points well taken. Antennas in question may be covered by the Things that you can poke your eye out with directive. This also applies to sharp pencils and scissors carried while running. :) There seems to be some (a lot?) of applying a CE mark for the sake of it (perhaps marketing pressure

RE: CE marking of antennas

2006-03-27 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
_ From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 1:28 PM To: UMBDENSTOCK, DON; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: CE marking of antennas I guess the question I would ask is – “What directives would apply, and what harmonized standards would you test the antenna

RE: CE marking of antennas

2006-03-27 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Intel Corporation _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of UMBDENSTOCK, DON Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 8:24 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: CE marking of antennas Hi Jon, Thanks for your response. I am thinking of a more general case

RE: CE marking of antennas

2006-03-27 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: CE marking of antennas Hi Don, By radio, I assume that you mean a product that transmits RF. Each transmitting product used for communication will need to be CE-marked under the RTTE directive. The testing involved requires the transmitting product to be tested

CE marking of antennas

2006-03-27 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Don, By radio, I assume that you mean a product that transmits RF. Each transmitting product used for communication will need to be CE-marked under the RTTE directive. The testing involved requires the transmitting product to be tested with the antenna(e) that it is sold with. A change of

CE marking of antennas

2006-03-27 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello Colleagues, Given an antenna that can be used with any radio, is it possible or required to CE mark the antenna for EU applications? Don Umbdenstock Manager Compliance Engineering Tyco Safety Products / Sensormatic 6600 Congress Avenue Boca Raton, FL 33487 USA Phone: 561.912.6440

RE: Std gain horn antennas

2006-01-05 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
gain horn antennas Hi All, just for grins and giggle, I'd like to try to model Std gain horn antennas. Can anyone suggest papers to read, and software to look into? Please keep in mind I'm a modelling novice. -- Cheers, Derek Walton L F Research Poplar Grove, IL 61065, USA

Std gain horn antennas

2006-01-04 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi All, just for grins and giggle, I'd like to try to model Std gain horn antennas. Can anyone suggest papers to read, and software to look into? Please keep in mind I'm a modelling novice. -- Cheers, Derek Walton L F Research Poplar Grove, IL 61065, USA

RE: NSA measurements with broadband bi-log antennas

2005-05-17 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Of ext kstef...@poczta.onet.pl Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 3:21 PM To: EMC-PSTC Subject: NSA measurements with broadband bi-log antennas Welcome all. I'm considering to use two broadband bi-log antennas to NSA measurements in 3m semi-anechoic chamber in near future. The type of antennas is SAS

NSA measurements with broadband bi-log antennas

2005-05-17 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Welcome all.   I'm considering to use two broadband bi-log antennas to NSA measurements in 3m semi-anechoic chamber in near future. The type of antennas is SAS-521-4 from AH Systems. Length of antenna is about 1m. But I'm worried about this dimension. The smallest elements of these antennas

EMI pickup by Wi-Fi antennas

2004-08-04 Thread Doug Smith
http://www.ieee-pses.org/symposium http://www.emc2004.org/ I enjoy performing experiments and writing them upso here goes again! This month's Technical Tidbit on my site ( http://emcesd.com ) discusses EMI pickup by wireless LAN antennas. Significant voltages can be delivered

Re: antennas

2003-08-30 Thread Cortland Richmond
Scott Douglas wrote: The rest of Article 810 is chock full of requirements specific to amateur antennas. But note that this stuff only applies in jurisdictions that have actually legally adopted either these articles or the entire NEC Homeowners and renters insurance may require compliance

Re: antennas

2003-08-29 Thread Scott Douglas
Cortland Richmond wrote: SNIP Outside antennas here in the USA have to comply with the National Electrical Code, and there must likewise be similar standards in Europe. SNIP Happened to be browsing the NEC (NFPA 70) today and came across this section related to amateur antennas

RE: antennas

2003-08-29 Thread Mike Hopkins
michael.hopk...@thermo.com One Thermo, committed to integrity, intensity, innovation involvement From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 2:49 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: antennas I read in !emc-pstc that Mike Hopkins michael.hopk

Re: antennas

2003-08-29 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Mike Hopkins michael.hopk...@thermo.com wrote (in 49CD487E8BA9D31181190060081C6B8FA271C3@COMSERVER) about 'antennas' on Fri, 29 Aug 2003: I believe amateur radio products are exempt from the EN's. someone correct me if I'm wrong. Not exactly. Non-commercial

Re: antennas

2003-08-29 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Price, Ed ed.pr...@cubic.com wrote (in b78135310217d511907c0090273f5190d0c...@curly.ds.cubic.com) about 'antennas' on Fri, 29 Aug 2003: I wonder if ham antennas (and/or their supporting towers) in the EU might be considered as structures, and subject to some

RE: antennas

2003-08-29 Thread Cortland Richmond
The Commission requires registration, and high visibility paint and lighting for Amateur (and other) antennas and towers more than a certain height above ground level, and coordination with the FAA. Recently, they've required evaluation for RF safety. Authorities probably have like rules

RE: antennas

2003-08-29 Thread Price, Ed
-Original Message- From: Mike Hopkins [ mailto:michael.hopk...@thermo.com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 6:34 AM To: 'drcuthb...@micron.com'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: antennas I believe amateur radio products are exempt from the EN's. someone correct me

Re: antennas

2003-08-29 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that drcuthb...@micron.com wrote (in E6F64B42266D6 54b80a0f7f4b98212a5cf1...@ntxboimbx03.micron.com) about 'antennas' on Thu, 28 Aug 2003: Does anyone know what standards would cover Amateur Radio Antennas in Europe? There are no standards as such. There are restrictions

antennas

2003-08-28 Thread drcuthb...@micron.com
Does anyone know what standards would cover Amateur Radio Antennas in Europe? Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc

RE: RTTE - antennas

2003-05-16 Thread Gert Gremmen
...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Lothar Schmidt Sent: donderdag 15 mei 2003 00:04 To: 'Amund Westin'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: RTTE - antennas It depends on which ETS/EN standard is applicable for the Radio some of them have the antenna parameters specified as part of the spectrum parameters

RE: RTTE - antennas

2003-05-15 Thread Charles Blackham
of antennas that may be connected to your system so that it still complies with EMF/SAR requirements. regards Charlie Blackham Approvals Manager Airspan Communications Ltd From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: 14 May 2003 21:10 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RTTE

RE: RTTE - antennas

2003-05-14 Thread Lothar Schmidt
6214 fax +1 (408) 586 6299 -Original Message- From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:10 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:RTTE - antennas Assume a CE / RTTE approved radio transmitter system, which consists

RE: RTTE - antennas

2003-05-14 Thread Carpentier Kristiaan
: woensdag 14 mei 2003 22:10 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RTTE - antennas Assume a CE / RTTE approved radio transmitter system, which consists of an indoor unit (modulator), an outdoor unit (HPA/LNB/OMT) and an antenna. If you change to another type of antenna (passive), will the system

RE: Emission Standards for Cell Phones and Antennas in Switzerland

2002-05-21 Thread Gert Gremmen
and Antennas in Switzerland Dear All, Does anyone know where I can find emission standards for cell phones and cellular transmitting and receiving antennas for Switzerland. I have been informed that the level acceptable in Switzerland is lower than the IRPA standard. Thanks to anyone who can help Best

RE: Emission Standards for Cell Phones and Antennas in Switzerland

2002-05-21 Thread Robert Wilson
[mailto:ieee-...@itl.co.il] Sent: May 21, 2002 3:45 AM To: Emc-Pstc Group (E-mail) Subject: Emission Standards for Cell Phones and Antennas in Switzerland Dear All, Does anyone know where I can find emission standards for cell phones and cellular transmitting and receiving antennas for Switzerland. I

SV: Emission Standards for Cell Phones and Antennas in Switzerlan d

2002-05-21 Thread h . knudsen
. maj 2002 12:45 Til: Emc-Pstc Group (E-mail) Emne: Emission Standards for Cell Phones and Antennas in Switzerland Dear All, Does anyone know where I can find emission standards for cell phones and cellular transmitting and receiving antennas for Switzerland. I have been informed that the level

RE: Emission Standards for Cell Phones and Antennas in Switzerlan d

2002-05-21 Thread richwoods
public. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: IEEE-EMC User Group [mailto:ieee-...@itl.co.il] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 6:45 AM To: Emc-Pstc Group (E-mail) Subject: Emission Standards for Cell Phones and Antennas in Switzerland Dear All

Emission Standards for Cell Phones and Antennas in Switzerland

2002-05-21 Thread IEEE-EMC User Group
Dear All, Does anyone know where I can find emission standards for cell phones and cellular transmitting and receiving antennas for Switzerland. I have been informed that the level acceptable in Switzerland is lower than the IRPA standard. Thanks to anyone who can help Best Regards David

Antennas

2000-07-06 Thread JIM WIESE
For those members of this group that might be interested, I am disposing of some interesting EMI/EMC antennas. I have placed a short description below and the link that you can find out more. 1.) Spiral Conical Antenna rated 1-10 GHz. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll

Antennas

2000-07-05 Thread JIM WIESE
For those members of this group that might be interested, I am disposing of some interesting EMI/EMC antennas. I have placed a short description below and the link that you can find out more. 1.) Spiral Conical Antenna rated 1-10 GHz. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll

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