I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote (in
200304251532.iaa00...@epgc264.sdd.hp.com) about 'Symbols vs. text -
was EN61010-1, Symbol 14 - validation' on Fri, 25 Apr 2003:
I take this to mean that the group is given the
definition and then asked to identify the symbol
Hi Pete:
This usually means developing a focus group and getting them to pick it out
of a group of symbols when asked to identify the symbol for 'XXX'.
I take this to mean that the group is given the
definition and then asked to identify the symbol
that matches the definition.
Ok gang,
Lots of chatter on this subject, but... We don't randomly pick
symbols to represent a message...
The US standard, ANSI Z535, allows folks to generate a new symbol,
but it must be properly evaluated and verified by use of technical means.
This usually means developing
I read in !emc-pstc that Pete Perkins peperkin...@cs.com wrote (in
001f01c30a82$2f97a740$1522c6ac@oemcomputer) about 'Symbols vs. text -
was EN61010-1, Symbol 14 - validation' on Thu, 24 Apr 2003:
I'd like to see the validation evaluation for each of the symbols in
IEC 60417. Who can
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Hi Richard:
You said We in the product safety
Richard,
Thank you for your ongoing comments on this situation.
This issue is mixed between the technical and legal communities. In
the US, there have been a number of cases lost where sufficient information
was not given to the user on the equipment and the user was seriously
Hi Richard:
Products should be designed so that no safety symbols/words are required
(at least for the user/operator).
A very laudable viewpoint and one that is easily achievable in the examples
you provided. However, with certain products there has to be a residual
Hi Rich,
First, do we have clear, unambiguous definitions for our safety symbols?
Based on the very short definitions in 417, I think not.
I believe we need much more work on the definitions.
As you know, standards are not static things set in stone. If you think
that IEC 60417 needs to
Hi Richard:
You said We in the product safety industry must be very careful that we
use
symbols in strict accordance with their definitions. No issue with you
there. However, the paper states that some of these misuses were
perpetrated by people not even connected with
Rich,
Thank you for explaining that words were made from letters and sentences
were made from a mixture of words (and letters by the way). It's simply
amazing how informative these exchanges can be!
You said We in the product safety industry must be very careful that we use
symbols in strict
:--) Plus, isn't Chinese the most-spoken language in the world?
[I am sure I will be corrected if wrong!]
;--) So having everyone else change to Chinese would inconvenience the
least number of people?
best regards, glyn
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I read in !emc-pstc that Pete Perkins peperkin...@cs.com wrote (in
01c304f8$70d7d7a0$78d5c6ac@oemcomputer) about 'EN61010-1, Symbol
14' on Thu, 17 Apr 2003:
As an alternative, perhaps this group would work on the use of a
universal, worldwide language (English, for instance) which would take
Hi Richard:
As you say, this web site provides a discussion on the exclamation symbol.
However, the discussion is slanted in one direction that not everyone in
the
safety fraternity would necessarily subscribe to. For instance, I have
seen
the 'high voltage flash' sign used as a
Richard, et al;
The use of 'universal' markings continues to be controversial. In
order for markings to be universally accepted there needs to be considerable
training as to the correct interpretation as to what the symbol means. This
has been confirmed by several studies. Adding any
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Subject: Re: EN61010-1, Symbol 14
For a history and discussion of this symbol, see:
http://www.triodyne.com/SAFETY~1/sb_v17n2.pdf
Best regards,
Rich
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For a history and discussion of this symbol, see:
http://www.triodyne.com/SAFETY~1/sb_v17n2.pdf
Best regards,
Rich
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All symbols in Table 1 of EN61010-1:2001 are from the graphic symbol
standard EN60417 except symbol 14 (exclamation point in an equilateral
triangle). Symbol 14 references ISO7000, symbol #0434. I hate to get a
standard for 1 symbol. Does anybody have the layout or artwork for this
symbol that
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