RE: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-25 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
ement. Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology From: Chundru, Ram [mailto:rchun...@ti.com] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:17 AM To: drcuthbert; f...@dctolight.net; peterh...@aol.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: ESD help for I/O ports Dave, With all due respect, I would like to make a small

RE: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-25 Thread emc-pstc@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of drcuthb...@micron.com Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:11 AM To: f...@dctolight.net; peterh...@aol.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: ESD help for I/O ports Being that there is no metal chassis the connector shell most likely has a direct path

Re: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-25 Thread emc-pstc@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
drcuthb...@micron.com wrote (in ) about 'ESD help for I/O ports', on Thu, 25 Aug 2005: >Being that there is no metal chassis the connector shell most likely >has a direct path to the circuit board. Well, preferably not. But if it HAS to go to the board, it should go by a wire (as thick as is p

RE: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-25 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
ehalf Of Fred Townsend Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:14 PM To: peterh...@aol.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: ESD help for I/O ports I don't know what your definition of a 'true ground' is but the facts are simple. If you share a discharge path with a signal path the dischar

Re: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-25 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
David Heald wrote (in ) about 'ESD help for I/O ports', on Wed, 24 Aug 2005: >See section 7.1.3 of 61000-4-2 for guidance on how to bleed off the >charge between impulses. I think this is a very significant point. Nowhere does the OP say which standard is being applied. ESD testing of Class I

Re: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I don't know what your definition of a 'true ground' is but the facts are simple. If you share a discharge path with a signal path the discharge will overwhelm the signal and the device will fail, sometimes catastrophically. You have obviously created a signal ground. Now create a discharge gro

Re: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Peter, Have you tried discharging the built-up charge on the printer between impulses. If the power supply lacks a ground (and therefore the product has no way to bleed off the energy), this could be an issue. See section 7.1.3 of 61000-4-2 for guidance on how to bleed off the charge between im

Re: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-24 Thread emc-pstc@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Peter Hays wrote >> The problem that I have is that my power supply is a class II product. i.e. I do not have a true ground and also as we all know the printer is in a plastic box. << As usual, troubleshooting telepathically is not all that reliable, and my clairvoyance is on the blink just now, t

Re: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The problem that I have is that my power supply is a class II product. i.e. I do not have a true ground and also as we all know the printer is in a plastic box. thanks Pete This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pse

RE: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-24 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
No I am zapping to the shell of the parallel connector. This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/

Re: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-22 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
There are many ways you can run into ESD problems but I were to guess I'd say you have a ground bounce problem. That usually happens when the discharge path is the same as the signal path. If possible have a perimeter ground connected to chassis and another ground for your signal back to the po

RE: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-22 Thread emc-pstc@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of drcuthb...@micron.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:23 PM To: peterh...@aol.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: ESD help for I/O ports Peter, Can you tell me what the failure mode is? Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology From: emc-p

RE: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-22 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The failure mode is that after a couple of discharges, the printers lock-up and stop printing and basically looses its print job. thanks Peter This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to t

RE: ESD help for I/O ports

2005-08-22 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Peter, Can you tell me what the failure mode is? Dave Cuthbert Micron Technology From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of peterh...@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:20 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: ESD help for I/O ports Hello group, I am involved in