RE: Humidity and Radiated Emissions Tests

2006-01-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Mac, The biggest effect I've seen was due to the fire retardant in the old cones absorbing moisture and subsequent dielectric changes. We had to put in a humidity controller to keep the chamber and cones at the same RH all the time to get consistant measurements. Bill Barron, Manny

Re: Humidity and Radiated Emissions Tests

2006-01-13 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 20060113213741.90815.qm...@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com, dated Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Hans htm...@yahoo.com writes There are formulae for calculating the ERP/EIRP power loss due to moisture content in the air. Typically used when calculating point to point microwave links over several

Re: Humidity and Radiated Emissions Tests

2006-01-13 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
There are formulae for calculating the ERP/EIRP power loss due to moisture content in the air. Typically used when calculating point to point microwave links over several miles and especially over a water body. It seems the loss is near neglible within a 10m distance. Hans Best Regards Hans

RE: Humidity and Radiated Emissions Tests

2006-01-13 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
, January 13, 2006 11:42 AM To: Elliott Mac-FME001; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Humidity and Radiated Emissions Tests Interesting question! Water is a dielectric with absorptive properties that are frequency dependant. The most well-known peak absorption is the microwave oven 2.4GHz frequency

RE: Humidity and Radiated Emissions Tests

2006-01-13 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Is the site near the ocean? Salt plays havoc in moist air. Also, if in a dirty environment where particulates are high it could affect readings. These issues however should be able to be accounted for in your uncertainty budget. Dennis Ward Evaluation Engineer American TCB Certification

Re: Humidity and Radiated Emissions Tests

2006-01-13 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 54ffbe24c443bc45b8deb804650d2d2ba3a...@ct11exm64.ds.mot.com, dated Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Elliott Mac-FME001 fme...@motorola.com writes What is your opinion - does relative humidity have an effect on radiated emissions testing [as long as there is no condensation on the EUT]? The phases

RE: Humidity and Radiated Emissions Tests

2006-01-13 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Interesting question! Water is a dielectric with absorptive properties that are frequency dependant. The most well-known peak absorption is the microwave oven 2.4GHz frequency. If you are having EMI issues in this frequency area, you may want to wait for a high-humidity day. 8-) In

RE: Humidity and Radiated Emissions Tests

2006-01-13 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello Mac, I don't know the actual physical effect, but there is a requirement in the ANSI C63.4, para 6.1.9. Sincerely, Manny Barron, EMC Engineer Northrop Grumman Mission Systems Intelligence Systems Division Electromagnetic Systems Laboratory 6377 San Ignacio Avenue San Jose, California