Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-09-03 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Coleman, David wrote (in <7103C9D213EBD111971400104B4968149EC0CD@ntexch- f.racalinst.co.uk>) about 'Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity' on Wed, 3 Sep 2003: >Why would the IEC standard for miniature fuses detail these >abbreviations??? I think you have the wrong st

RE: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-09-03 Thread Coleman, David
John, Why would the IEC standard for miniature fuses detail these abbreviations??? I think you have the wrong standard! Dave C. From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:42 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Q. on Res Bandwith

Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-09-03 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Brent DeWitt wrote (in ) about 'Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity' on Tue, 2 Sep 2003: >Are we done now? No. All you guys are using non-standard abbreviations. Go read IEC 60127-3. (;-) -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co

Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-09-03 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that f...@dctolight.net wrote (in <41196.198.246.16. 251.1062534076.squir...@webmail.dctolight.net>) about 'Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity' on Tue, 2 Sep 2003: >Since not everyone >measures power we also define 0dbv = 1 mvolt into 600 ohms. Well, you might define

RE: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-09-02 Thread Brent DeWitt
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of f...@dctolight.net Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:21 PM To: ken.ja...@emccompliance.com Cc: f...@dctolight.net; cgrassospri...@earthlink.net; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity > > Incorrect. A dB is a dB. Correct!

RE: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-09-02 Thread John Shinn
, September 02, 2003 1:21 PM To: ken.ja...@emccompliance.com Cc: f...@dctolight.net; cgrassospri...@earthlink.net; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity > > Incorrect. A dB is a dB. Correct! But who is talking about db? I'm sure you know t

Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-09-02 Thread Ken Javor
eply-To: > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 15:08:57 -0700 > To: , > Cc: , > Subject: RE: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity > > Fred: > Correction - a dBV is referenced to 1 Volt. R or Z has nothing to do with > it. > A dBmv is referenced to one millivolt. R or Z has

Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-09-02 Thread Ken Javor
, 2 Sep 2003 13:21:16 -0700 (PDT) > To: > Cc: , , > Subject: Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity > >> >> Incorrect. A dB is a dB. > > Correct! But who is talking about db? I'm sure you know that db is a > dimensionless ratio. I believe we were dis

Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-09-02 Thread f...@dctolight.net
> > Incorrect. A dB is a dB. Correct! But who is talking about db? I'm sure you know that db is a dimensionless ratio. I believe we were discussing power. Let’s make sure we all have the formula: db = 10 log (P1/P2) or = 20 log (V1/V2) + 10 log (Z2/Z1) A quick scan of the formula will

Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-08-31 Thread Cortland Richmond
CISPR 16-1 and C63.2. I seem to recall seeing a bandwidth mask in CISPR 16 which specified both width and slope of the filter attenuation in three ranges, from 0 to 3 dB down, 3 to 6 dB down and 6 db to (I think) 40 or 50 dB down. Cortland This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product S

Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-08-31 Thread Ken Javor
Incorrect. A dB is a dB. 3 dB down is half power but 70.7% voltage. 6 dB down is 1/4 power, or one half voltage or current. on 8/31/03 10:42 AM, f...@dctolight.net at f...@dctolight.net wrote: >> > A few basics: If we are talking about power points (no software puns > intended) then it is t

Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-08-31 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that f...@dctolight.net wrote (in <39029.198.246.16. 251.1062344564.squir...@webmail.dctolight.net>) about 'Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity' on Sun, 31 Aug 2003: >As the professors would >say, it is left to the student to prove that 3 dbm = 6 dbv through the >formu

Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-08-31 Thread f...@dctolight.net
> A few basics: If we are talking about power points (no software puns intended) then it is the 3 db points. If we are taking about voltage (or current) points then it is the 6 db points. As the professors would say, it is left to the student to prove that 3 dbm = 6 dbv through the formula P = E

Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-08-28 Thread Ken Javor
I believe Mr. Cuthbert is correct, but that doesn't change the fact that CISPR 16 specifies 6 dB bandwidths. > From: drcuthb...@micron.com > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:47:55 -0600 > To: , , > > Subject: RE: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity > > I think that Sp

RE: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-08-28 Thread drcuthb...@micron.com
rasso; Emc-Pstc Subject: Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity My understanding is that it is the 6 dB points which are cited as the bandwidth. I'm not up on CISPR 16 but to entirely specify the bandwidth the 60 dB down points are also specified. The slope you get from the 6 dB to

Re: Q. on Res Bandwith performace traceabiity

2003-08-28 Thread Ken Javor
My understanding is that it is the 6 dB points which are cited as the bandwidth. I'm not up on CISPR 16 but to entirely specify the bandwidth the 60 dB down points are also specified. The slope you get from the 6 dB to the 60 dB points is called the shape factor. > From: "Charles Grasso" > Repl