RE: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-11 Thread Jim Bacher
Ken, if your attachment is of general value to everyone on the list, you can always put the "attachment" on the following site: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc That way everyone will have access to it. Jim This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee em

Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-11 Thread Ken Javor
loped a correction factor here at > Echostar..stay tuned..) > > -Original Message- > From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ken Javor > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:29 AM > To: Charles Grasso; Emc-Pstc; charles.gra...@ec

Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-11 Thread Ken Javor
radiators. The same could and should be applied to a cable-bundle emission requirement. > From: John Woodgate > Reply-To: John Woodgate > Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 03:53:33 +0100 > To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you?? > > >

RE: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-08 Thread Bill Stumpf
les Grasso [mailto:cgrassospri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 3:54 PM To: Emc-Pstc; charles.gra...@echostar.com Subject: cable maximization - do you or don't you?? Hi all, I have recently run into an issue with an OEM supplier. The product that we are looking at fails emissi

RE: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-08 Thread Nagel, Michael
ctor here at > Echostar..stay tuned..) > > -Original Message- > From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ken Javor > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:29 AM > To: Charles Grasso; Emc-Pstc; charles.gra...@echostar

RE: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-07 Thread Charles Grasso
Of Ken Javor Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:29 AM To: Charles Grasso; Emc-Pstc; charles.gra...@echostar.com Subject: Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you?? An excellent opportunity to ask a question of list members, especially those involved in standards writing. Why not calculat

Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-07 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Ken Javor wrote (in ) about 'cable maximization - do you or don't you??' on Mon, 7 Jul 2003: >I don't think it is at all complicated, at least in principle. Maybe a >devil will emerge out of some details I am missing... It's a point w

RE: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-07 Thread Grasso, Charles
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:55 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you?? I read in !emc-pstc that lfresea...@aol.com wrote (in <7a.439a5e0a.2c3ad c...@aol.com>) about 'cable maxim

Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-07 Thread Ken Javor
hn Woodgate > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 21:58:28 +0100 > To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org > Subject: Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you?? > > > I read in !emc-pstc that Ken Javor wrote > (in ) about 'cable > maximization - do you or don't you??'

Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-07 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Ken Javor wrote (in ) about 'cable maximization - do you or don't you??' on Mon, 7 Jul 2003: >Why not calculate the cable conducted emission that would result in radiated >spec level compliance, and levy a cable conducted emission requirement? Suc

Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-07 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that lfresea...@aol.com wrote (in <7a.439a5e0a.2c3ad c...@aol.com>) about 'cable maximization - do you or don't you??' on Mon, 7 Jul 2003: >I've often wondered what would happen if the FCC ( for example ) >had under cover engineers that

Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-07 Thread Cortland Richmond
Derek N. Walton wrote: >> I've often wondered what would happen if the FCC ( for example ) had under cover engineers that took products barely passing to test labs. Specifically, what the results would be :-) << That is pretty close to what the FCC used to do, remember? Testing indoors at one

Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-07 Thread Bruce T
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Hi Charles, I always made it my responsibility (the owner of product) to ensure that the max config was tested, including cables. I find that most lab techs won't remind you of this, once you have arrived with your equipment, either they don't have

Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-07 Thread Ken Javor
cable manipulation, and any out of spec conditions would result from test sample enclosure emissions. > From: "Charles Grasso" > Reply-To: "Charles Grasso" > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 13:53:40 -0700 > To: "Emc-Pstc" , > Subject: cable maximization - do y

Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-07 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 7/7/2003 9:05:57 AM Central Daylight Time, jim.bac...@paxar.com writes: Charles, I have used three labs over the last two years. Every single one of them maximized the cables. One of the labs was part of a large company, the other two were smaller privately owned labs. In ea

RE: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-07 Thread Jim Bacher
Charles, I have used three labs over the last two years. Every single one of them maximized the cables. One of the labs was part of a large company, the other two were smaller privately owned labs. In each of these cases the reports specified that they maximized the cables. An the other hand, 20

RE: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-07 Thread Morse, Earl (E.A.)
rasso [mailto:cgrassospri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 4:54 PM To: Emc-Pstc; charles.gra...@echostar.com Subject: cable maximization - do you or don't you?? Hi all, I have recently run into an issue with an OEM supplier. The product that we are looking at fails emissions a

Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-06 Thread John Barnes
Charles, I maximize the cables anytime I run radiated emissions or conducted emissions tests. John Barnes KS4GL, PE, NCE, ESDC Eng, SM IEEE dBi Corporation http://www.dbicorporation.com/ This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Tec

cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-06 Thread Charles Grasso
Hi all, I have recently run into an issue with an OEM supplier. The product that we are looking at fails emissions after cable maximization. In an informal study, I discovered that quite a few labs don't seem to perform cable maximization on a routine basis. ANSIC63 is quite clear on this - the c