Re: [Emc-users] American Robot at MPM

2010-11-18 Thread Mark Wendt
On 11/17/2010 02:54 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: have said hard drive in office to attempt image copy to new sata hard drive said hard drive spins but does not communicate continuing communication attempts sans hammer losing patience quickly as hammer retracts - threat of violence seems to

Re: [Emc-users] American Robot at MPM

2010-11-18 Thread Mark Wendt
On 11/17/2010 09:13 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, I forgot to mention how we were able to get the hard drive to work. We set it upside down and it began working. Stuart Tch. Such an obvious solution. How come you didn't try that first? ;-) Too bad you didn't get to the

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Andy Pugh
On 18 November 2010 07:34, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: if that is just a base for machine, I suspect that the machine itself also will be very massive and very heavy to provide for rigidity and vibration damping in order to achieve the high precision in hard-to-machine

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Mark Wendt
On 11/18/2010 06:18 AM, Andy Pugh wrote: if that is just a base for machine, I suspect that the machine itself also will be very massive and very heavy to provide for rigidity and vibration damping in order to achieve the high precision in hard-to-machine materials. so the question is - what

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2010/11/18 Andy Pugh a...@andypugh.fsnet.co.uk: On 18 November 2010 07:34, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: if that is just a base for machine, I suspect that the machine itself also will be very massive and very heavy to provide for rigidity and vibration damping in order to

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Igor Chudov
Which brings up a question. How did they make propellers for big ships in the old times without 3D CNC? -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5,

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Dave Caroline
enjoy http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufacturing_Process Dave Caroline (archivist) On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Which brings up a question. How did they make propellers for big ships in the old times without 3D CNC?

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Andy Pugh
On 18 November 2010 12:49, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: 1) What is the point to have Z axis and also W axis in one machine? Either of them changes tool's position along Z axis. Using them both simultaneously does not make sense to me. I imagine that the beam is a lot stiffer

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Stuart Stevenson
I see an EMC2 retrofit candidate. -- dos centavos -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for HTML5, CSS3, SVG 1.1, ECMAScript5, and DOM L2 L3. Spend less time writing and

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Mark Wendt
On 11/18/2010 08:51 AM, Stuart Stevenson wrote: I see an EMC2 retrofit candidate. ;-) When does it get delivered to your shop? Mark -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9 supports standards for

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Sven Wesley
2010/11/18 Andy Pugh a...@andypugh.fsnet.co.uk On 18 November 2010 12:49, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: 1) What is the point to have Z axis and also W axis in one machine? Either of them changes tool's position along Z axis. Using them both simultaneously does not make

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Claude Froidevaux
Le 18.11.2010 14:15, Dave Caroline a écrit : enjoy http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufacturing_Process Dave Caroline (archivist) Thanks, beautiful pictures ! -- Beautiful is

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2010/11/18 Dave Caroline dave.thearchiv...@gmail.com: enjoy http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufacturing_Process Dave Caroline (archivist) On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: Which brings up a question. How did they make

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Jon Elson
Viesturs La-cis wrote: if that is just a base for machine, I suspect that the machine itself also will be very massive and very heavy to provide for rigidity and vibration damping in order to achieve the high precision in hard-to-machine materials. so the question is - what kind of

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Jon Elson
Viesturs Lācis wrote: Unfortunately, this link does not really answer, how exactly the propellers were made, because I also think that those curved surfaces are pretty tricky to get. Unless they cast them in molds. They cast them in bronze, but made them oversize. Then, they had a bunch of

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread sam sokolik
Our KT has boxed ways with recirculating roller bearings. http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/tikkoway.JPG (isn't the exact type but similar) - so each axis has 12 each. sam On 11/18/2010 11:15 AM, Jon Elson wrote: Viesturs La-cis wrote: if that is just a base for machine, I

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 14:49 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: ... snip 1) What is the point to have Z axis and also W axis in one machine? My guess is for speed without loosing range. The Z is short but fast, the W long. 2) Ok, there are ballscrews for Z and W axis. Where can I find some more

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Viesturs La-cis wrote: if that is just a base for machine, I suspect that the machine itself also will be very massive and very heavy to provide for rigidity and vibration damping in order to achieve the high

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Igor Chudov
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote:  The coolant reservoir is the entire pit the machine sits in. The oil is very effective in reducing coolant water loss to evaporation. Stuart, does the coolant become rancid due to being covered with oil? Do you have to

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Stuart Stevenson
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: The coolant reservoir is the entire pit the machine sits in. The oil is very effective in reducing coolant water loss to evaporation. Stuart,

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Igor Chudov
I see. I use hangsterfers S500 coolant and its seems to be pretty immune to this problem. I am allergic to bad coolant. I got a belt and disk tramp oil remover and will soon put it in the mill to augment the coolant antibacterial properties. i On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Stuart

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Karl Schmidt
On 11/18/2010 12:04 PM, Igor Chudov wrote: Stuart, does the coolant become rancid due to being covered with oil? Do you have to manage that? There is a trick to prevent this (most often a problem on machines that aren't used everyday) - I put a bit of lysol in the mix - no more bacterial

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread chrisinnanaimo
At one shop I worked at we found if we left a coolant pump on all the time the coolant stayed fresh longer on the drill presses. Probably cause the pump airiated the coolant Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: Stuart Stevenson

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Igor Chudov
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Karl Schmidt k...@xtronics.com wrote: Stuart, does the coolant become rancid due to being covered with oil? Do you have to manage that? There is a trick to prevent this (most often a problem on machines that aren't used everyday) - I put a bit of lysol in

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Igor Chudov
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50 PM, chrisinnana...@hotmail.com wrote: At one shop I worked at we found if we left a coolant pump on all the time the coolant stayed fresh longer on the drill presses. Probably cause the pump airiated the coolant Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Viesturs Lācis
Thank You, guys, for explanations! 2010/11/18 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com: In the shop I worked for, we would debur and sand the machine marks off the parts between loading the CNC, or sweep the floor, or skim the oil off the bulk coolant tank, or load another machine, or cut

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 21:54 +0200, Viesturs Lācis wrote: ... snip or ... Every work minute and every piece of tooling and material was scheduled and tracked. I like my current boss better. And there is one very very very nice word for that - productivity :)) /vie It was very

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Karl Schmidt
On 11/18/2010 01:07 PM, Igor Chudov wrote: Karl, what sort of Lysol did you use, there are so many Lysol products. http://www.amazon.com/Lysol-Brand-Concentrate-Original-Scent/dp/B0012ZAOGC Lysol is based on breaking the cell walls of any growth. It doesn't take much - say 1/4 as much as

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Igor Chudov
Karl, awesome summary. I would love to know how much Lyson you use per gallon of coolant. Igor On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Karl Schmidt k...@xtronics.com wrote: On 11/18/2010 01:07 PM, Igor Chudov wrote: Karl, what sort of Lysol did you use, there are so many Lysol products.

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Karl Schmidt
On 11/18/2010 04:21 PM, Igor Chudov wrote: Karl, awesome summary. I would love to know how much Lyson you use per gallon of coolant. Something like a tablespoon -- Beautiful is writing same markup. Internet Explorer 9

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread William Baden
Very much enjoyed. Will Baden Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:15:18 + From: dave.thearchiv...@gmail.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron enjoy http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/guides/William_Doxford_and_Sons#The_Manufacturing_Process Dave Caroline

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread dave
Yep! Keep it oxidizing and it won't smell as bad. Let it go anaerobic and the bacteria that thrive w/o oxygen thrive and produce nasty smelling volatile fatty acids. C2 thru C6. guaranteed to turn your stomach. Dave On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 18:50 +, chrisinnana...@hotmail.com wrote: At one

Re: [Emc-users] Retrofitting a manual lathe, off the wall idea? Clamp-on CNC attachment.

2010-11-18 Thread William Baden
I am interested in seeing these machines. I worked at a small shop that had both of these machines and they both left much to be desired for ease of use and programming. Would it be possible to see some pics off list? Will Baden From: re...@wildblue.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread dave
The stuff we used on the lab benches in Micro something like 50 years ago was a mixture of cresol's. Think creosote smell ( classic railroad ties and pilings ) and toxicity. It soaked into the stone lab tops and permeated our lab jackets but nothing grew in its presence. In the military we had

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Jon Elson
Igor Chudov wrote: Karl, what sort of Lysol did you use, there are so many Lysol products. I got this Encool concentrate from Engineered Lubricants (no connection other than a VERY satisfied user) and it can sit for months without any growth. I do get some sort of slimy film that

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Igor Chudov
Nice to know. My Hangsterfer S500 also seems to not develop any smells. i On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: Karl, what sort of Lysol did you use, there are so many Lysol products. I got this Encool concentrate from Engineered

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 20:35 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: Nice to know. My Hangsterfer S500 also seems to not develop any smells. i My HNC lathe has only had oil based fluid (Mobil 504?) and has no signs of corrosion. My Shizuoka mill had a water based fluid and was a nasty rusty smelly yucky

Re: [Emc-users] Big Iron

2010-11-18 Thread Karl Schmidt
On 11/18/2010 08:30 PM, Jon Elson wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I do get some sort of slimy film that eventually forms in the sump, but it NEVER smells at all. Might be interesting to look at that slim-film under a microscope. Dave wrote: Most of the antibacterials today are quats ...