Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread Rafael Skodlar
On 05/13/2013 03:56 PM, RogerN wrote: > From: Steve Blackmore > .Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 4:48 PM >> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines >> >> On Mon, 13 May 2013 22:50:51 +1000, you wrote: >> >> Given that it is now mainly a machine-to-

Re: [Emc-users] "Easy" 3D Re: Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN
Google got lucky. Sold Sketch up to Trimble (so they can generate poorly triangulated surveyed surfaces). Microsoft just got to abandon their product. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:29 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 13 May 2013 23:41, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > > >> The real problem (and it *is* a real p

[Emc-users] 3D models of steel profiles?

2013-05-13 Thread Gregg Eshelman
I'm looking for 3D models or *solid* outlines of various sizes and shapes of structural steel and square and rectangular tube. Inch measurements preferred. I've found some collections of outlines in DWG format but they're useless in trueSpace because they aren't solid, the lines and curves are a

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread RogerN
From: Steve Blackmore .Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 4:48 PM >To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines > >On Mon, 13 May 2013 22:50:51 +1000, you wrote: > > >>> Given that it is now mainly a machine-to-machine data standard, the >>> fact that it is archa

Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] lathe style toolchange patch

2013-05-13 Thread Chris Morley
> On 13 May 2013 23:06, Chris Morley wrote: > > > The other problem is, as the patch is now if you call T101 it asks for tool > > 10001, where it should > > ask for tool 1. > > I'm sure I can fix that too. Hmm well it's a deeper rabbit hole then I thought. > > As we are not using "registers"

Re: [Emc-users] "Easy" 3D Re: Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 May 2013 23:41, Gregg Eshelman wrote: >> The real problem (and it *is* a real problem) then becomes >> generating >> the model geometry. Based on a very small sample, >> non-techies have >> trouble with 3D modeling and fancier CAD programs aren't the >> answer... Autodesk Inventor Fusion i

Re: [Emc-users] lathe style toolchange patch

2013-05-13 Thread Greg Bentzinger
My comments in ``   Message: 5 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 18:56:19 + From: Chris Morley Subject: [Emc-users] lathe style toolchange patch To: EMC , EMC DEV Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm working with the Daniel's lathe style toolchange patch to get it into master

Re: [Emc-users] "Easy" 3D Re: Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread Ed Nisley
On 05/13/2013 06:41 PM, Gregg Eshelman wrote: > As for sketchup, unless it's seen some massive debugging and improvements, > it's a very nice utility > for creating some of the most fouled up 3D geometry Aye! But the objects *look* good, so they should print fine. Right? [wince] I've given up

Re: [Emc-users] lathe style toolchange patch

2013-05-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 May 2013 22:48, Ralph Stirling wrote: > Any plans to implement automatic nose radius compensation? It's already there. I used it a few weeks ago when making pull studs. See the docs on G42. You need the tool approach angle to be correct, too. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it

Re: [Emc-users] OT: replace a micro switch with a proximity sensor.

2013-05-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 May 2013 22:29, Sven Wesley wrote: > So, I thought I might try a three wired proximity switch instead. The micro > sw is simply short cutting two wires from the ECU. The proximity switch, > triggering a solid state relay You may not need the SSR. Proximity switches seem (in my very limited

[Emc-users] "Easy" 3D Re: Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Mon, 5/13/13, Ed Nisley wrote: > The real problem (and it *is* a real problem) then becomes > generating > the model geometry. Based on a very small sample, > non-techies have > trouble with 3D modeling and fancier CAD programs aren't the > answer... I use trueSpace. Microsoft bought Ca

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Mon, 5/13/13, andy pugh wrote: > I would argue that G-code is now mainly the output of CAM > "compilers". > Just because it is possible to compose it by hand (And that > is mainly > what I do) doesn't mean that that is the way that it is > currently used by most users. > > Given that it i

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Mon, 13 May 2013 22:50:51 +1000, you wrote: >> Given that it is now mainly a machine-to-machine data standard, the >> fact that it is archaic, antiquated and poor as a programming language >> is largely irrelevant. True. >True, and well expressed, but the LinuxCNC elves have added much neede

Re: [Emc-users] lathe style toolchange patch

2013-05-13 Thread Ralph Stirling
I have three books by Peter Smid. One is "CNC Programming Handbook", another is "FANUC Custom Macros", and the third has been borrowed by a student... Looking at the lathe offset section of the FANUC book, he says that geometry offsets have 1 added, while wear offsets do not have anything add

Re: [Emc-users] lathe style toolchange patch

2013-05-13 Thread jeremy youngs
this sounds exactly like a fanuc scheme here is a link to the books at enco I do like peter smid :) http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INLMK32?PARTPG=INSRAR2 On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Chris Morley wrote: > I'm working with the Daniel's lathe style toolchange patch to > get it into master branch.

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 May 2013 16:04:37 Cecil Thomas did opine: > Gene, > > I wanted to be sure that you picked up on the fact that the setscrew > is inserted ALONG the thread pitch line PARALLEL to the axis of the > shaft but offset from the shaft axis by the radius of the shaft. So > it in essence forms

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 May 2013 15:57:31 andy pugh did opine: > On 13 May 2013 18:55, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Great minds & all that Cecil, I thought of that too, but I might not > > have room for the screw head, I don't need a clothing grabber when I > > reach back to suck up the swarf. > > Use a grubscr

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread Chris Morley
> Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:00:54 -0400 > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > From: wctho...@chartertn.net > Subject: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel? > > Gene, > > I wanted to be sure that you picked up on the fact that the setscrew > is inserted ALONG the thread

[Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread Cecil Thomas
Gene, I wanted to be sure that you picked up on the fact that the setscrew is inserted ALONG the thread pitch line PARALLEL to the axis of the shaft but offset from the shaft axis by the radius of the shaft. So it in essence forms a round key that CAN BE removed without applying an oxyacetylen

[Emc-users] lathe style toolchange patch

2013-05-13 Thread Chris Morley
I'm working with the Daniel's lathe style toolchange patch to get it into master branch. Aside from fixing it to use an INI switch and a small bug with loading tools without wear offsets. I have questions: Some back ground: This patch allows tool changes by just issuing the T code, no M6 required

[Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread Cecil Thomas
Gene, Please note that I tapped the hole .75 deep and inserted a .625 long socket head SET screw not a cap screw. There is nothing sticking out. The second method with the square key was not meant to be taken seriously since the only way you could ever get the key back out was to leave some

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 May 2013 18:55, Gene Heskett wrote: > Great minds & all that Cecil, I thought of that too, but I might not have > room for the screw head, I don't need a clothing grabber when I reach back > to suck up the swarf. Use a grubscrew (or setscrew, as I think you funny foreigners call them) No

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread jrmitchellj .
Loctite 271 (red). This used to be called stud & bearing mount Most of the red Loctite you find at local outlets is red 262, great for 3.8" to 3/4" bolts. --J. Ray Mitchell Jr. jrmitche...@gmail.com (818)324-7573 “Truth is treason in the Empire of Lies.” — Ron Paul On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 May 2013 13:51:39 Cecil Thomas did opine: > Gene, > I have a machine with a similar setup, treadmill motor, screwed on > flywheel. I screwed the flywheel on snug, drilled a #6 hole .75 inch > deep parallel to the axis of the shaft but on the pitch line of the > two threads, tapped it

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 May 2013 13:50:08 Michael Haberler did opine: > how can this possibly be a research topic? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJjivy-A3lM > > -m Naw, I think Red has it pretty well covered. :) > Am 13.05.2013 um 17:19 schrieb Gene Heskett : > > Greetings; > > > > Which would you

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 May 2013 13:44:07 John Kasunich did opine: > I second the vote for red loctite. One big advantage of loctite over > super-glue is that you have enough time to screw the flywheel on > before it sets up. > That was another concern lurking in the back of my alleged mind. Thanks John.

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 13 May 2013 13:16:01 jeremy youngs did opine: > loctite red Thanks, on my way to get some. > be sure you dont want it back off before you apply as heat is about the > only way to get it off I'm aware of that, it takes around 485F to 500F to soften or loosen most of that stuff. If I

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread Cogoman
That nifty utility sounds like an early, buggy, limited version of SED, the stream editor. I am a big fan of SED. Available for Linux, Windoze, and probably for OSX. The learning curve is steep, but the power is amazing, and as far as I know, the file of swap rules can get bigger than you wil

[Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread Cecil Thomas
Gene, I have a machine with a similar setup, treadmill motor, screwed on flywheel. I screwed the flywheel on snug, drilled a #6 hole .75 inch deep parallel to the axis of the shaft but on the pitch line of the two threads, tapped it 1/4-20 and screwed in a 5/8 inch long 1/4-20 socket head set

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread Michael Haberler
how can this possibly be a research topic? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJjivy-A3lM -m Am 13.05.2013 um 17:19 schrieb Gene Heskett : > Greetings; > > Which would you use if that flywheel/fan/pulley needed to be maximally > discouraged from unscrewing itself when I apply the braking resisto

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread Cogoman
Sent from my Kyocera Rise Gregg Eshelman wrote: >--- On Sun, 5/12/13, Rafael Skodlar wrote: > >> > It can be used as one, certainly, but then so can >> Postscript. >> > >> >> By that logic, we would program web sites code in assembler. >> But then >> millions use inches and feet even when th

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2013/5/13 Gene Heskett > Greetings; > > Which would you use if that flywheel/fan/pulley needed to be maximally > discouraged from unscrewing itself when I apply the braking resistor? > AFAIK superglue does not like vibrations, so Loctite would be better. -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you d

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread John Kasunich
I second the vote for red loctite. One big advantage of loctite over super-glue is that you have enough time to screw the flywheel on before it sets up. On Mon, May 13, 2013, at 11:30 AM, doug metzler wrote: > don't use super-glue - it will fail when there's a shock or snap event > (like the sudd

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread doug metzler
don't use super-glue - it will fail when there's a shock or snap event (like the sudden application of a brake) loctite is really nice stuff. There's a specific kind for joining shafts to wheels. epoxy might be good too. DougM On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 8:19 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greeting

Re: [Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread jeremy youngs
loctite red be sure you dont want it back off before you apply as heat is about the only way to get it off http://www.loctiteproducts.com/p/t_lkr_red/directions/Loctite-Threadlocker-Red-271.htm here is a vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9zFgB8lTNM On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Gene Heske

[Emc-users] Superglue, or Loc-tite for that motors flywheel?

2013-05-13 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings; Which would you use if that flywheel/fan/pulley needed to be maximally discouraged from unscrewing itself when I apply the braking resistor? Thanks. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread jeremy youngs
ed nisley wrote STL can't handle multiple colors / materials, has only triangle tesselation, and really shouldn't be the basis of further development. Just like G-Code, it'll live forever. [grin] from my experiences iges files are the best standard of use and are compatable with many popular comm

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread Ed Nisley
On 05/13/2013 08:43 AM, andy pugh wrote: > feed it STL rather than G-code Or, perhaps, an OpenSCAD model in source-code format, although you'd really want a better set of primitives that take advantage of arcs and suchlike. STL can't handle multiple colors / materials, has only triangle tessel

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 13.05.13 12:51, andy pugh wrote: > On 12 May 2013 20:21, Rafael Skodlar wrote: > > >> I think that you might be mistaking G-code for a programming language… > > > > It is a programing language. > > Maybe I was a bit too flippant. You just forgot the :^) or ;-), Andy. (Though the ironic tone

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread andy pugh
On 13 May 2013 13:25, Ed Nisley wrote: > To a reasonable approximation, a 3D printer's software stack eats solid > models and produces plastic shapes In many ways it would seem more logical to feed it STL rather than G-code, except that that doesn't let you control things like fill patterns. --

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread Ed Nisley
On 05/13/2013 02:01 AM, Rafael Skodlar wrote: > emerging personal 3D printing. G-Code is largely irrelevant for 3D printing: it's nothing more than an intermediate "machine language" between the slicer and the printer. The complexity of the motions required to produce a single layer of a model

Re: [Emc-users] Correct use of subroutines

2013-05-13 Thread andy pugh
On 12 May 2013 20:21, Rafael Skodlar wrote: >> I think that you might be mistaking G-code for a programming language… > > It is a programing language. Maybe I was a bit too flippant. G-code is as much a programming language as assembler is. In fact you can probably argue that G-code is a bit cl