[Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Roland Jollivet
Probably more OT, but is this a very special mould? Or process? I've seen many plastic moulds running, and I think the general principle is; while there is hot and cold water available, once running, only the chillers are required. There is a net heat being generated from the hot plastic, so only

Re: [Emc-users] Using a homing switch as a limit when not homed

2017-02-08 Thread Danny Miller
On 2/8/2017 8:15 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 02/08/2017 11:34 AM, dan...@austin.rr.com wrote: >> I don't have a physical stop on my Z axis, putting one in would be a PITA. >> The drive is exceptionally strong and it would be problematic to stop the >> axis that way. If you're an idiot and jog i

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 08 February 2017 21:22:12 Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > Thanks to all four your answers! > > I'll try to answer to all of you in one response just to make it more > readable. > > *Andy*: I was reading about PW reactors when I started to plan this > kind of system but I really couldn't f

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2017-02-08 23:25 GMT-03:00 Kurt Jacobson : > I did some research on organic coolants for nuclear reactors a while back. > The idea was to replace the typical high pressure high temperature > pressurized water reactor coolant loop with a high boiling point organic > oil loop operating at low pressu

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2017-02-08 23:24 GMT-03:00 Jon Elson : > Well, not if he has steam at 1000 PSI! Compared to a little > air, steam is VERY dangerous. > In general, what he is describing could be considered a bomb > by Homeland Security. > The local police and fire department would take a real dim > view of such a

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Dave Cole
You don't want to use steam at 1000 psi unless you absolutely have to. I've gotten in the way of steam at high pressure and that is something that you will never forget. At 1000 psi that is an injection hazard. High pressure steam leaks can be invisible, and sometime inaudible, so you might nev

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
2017-02-08 22:07 GMT-03:00 Gregg Eshelman : > Injection molding thermoplastic, thermoset plastic or RTV silicone? > Each requires a different approach to mold heating and cooling. > Thermoplastics get shot into hot molds. Then the mold is cooled just > enough so that the parts won't distort when t

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/08/2017 11:49 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: > The only thing I know about this is that you absolutely need to keep air > out of the system. It all needs to be designed so that trapping air in the > plumbing is impossible. When/if the plumbing bursts having compressed air > inside makes it a l

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Kurt Jacobson
I did some research on organic coolants for nuclear reactors a while back. The idea was to replace the typical high pressure high temperature pressurized water reactor coolant loop with a high boiling point organic oil loop operating at low pressure (below atmospheric to reduce the chance of contam

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
Thanks to all four your answers! I'll try to answer to all of you in one response just to make it more readable. *Andy*: I was reading about PW reactors when I started to plan this kind of system but I really couldn't find too much information about it other than general aspects. I was trying to

Re: [Emc-users] Using a homing switch as a limit when not homed

2017-02-08 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/08/2017 11:34 AM, dan...@austin.rr.com wrote: > I don't have a physical stop on my Z axis, putting one in would be a PITA. > The drive is exceptionally strong and it would be problematic to stop the > axis that way. If you're an idiot and jog it that way prior to homing, you > can dismou

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Gregg Eshelman
A liquid system has a safety advantage over a system filled with a gas, or a liquid that will easily flash to vapor if there's a leak. A hot liquid that stays liquid when pressure is let off will only spurt through a leak for a short time as the pressure drops. It may spray into a mist but it wo

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Gregg Eshelman
Injection molding thermoplastic, thermoset plastic or RTV silicone? Each requires a different approach to mold heating and cooling. Thermoplastics get shot into hot molds. Then the mold is cooled just enough so that the parts won't distort when they're ejected. Thermoset plastics need different mo

Re: [Emc-users] Using a homing switch as a limit when not homed

2017-02-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 February 2017 at 17:34, wrote: > There is a homing switch at Z+. It sounds desirable to halt + movement when > that switch is tripped, AND not homed, AND not in the actual homing sequence. > But NOT stop - movement, otherwise you'd jog it upwards, get it stuck, and > no way to jog down.

Re: [Emc-users] suitable step motor drivers for Bridgeport Series-II mill

2017-02-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 08 February 2017 11:58:59 Jon Elson wrote: > Can anybody recommend step motor drivers for a Bridgeport > Series-II mill? > I know there are some awful Chinese units out there, I'd > like to avoid recommending anything that would not be reliable. > > Anybody know the specs of the stepp

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Jim Craig
On 2/8/2017 2:31 PM, andy pugh wrote: > On 8 February 2017 at 19:45, Jim Craig wrote: >> Dowtherm is used in thermal solar power plants. > That sounds a lot less trouble than my molten salt idea. Those are > super-stable at high temp (and relatively inexpensive) but if allowed > to freeze would be

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 February 2017 at 19:45, Jim Craig wrote: > Dowtherm is used in thermal solar power plants. That sounds a lot less trouble than my molten salt idea. Those are super-stable at high temp (and relatively inexpensive) but if allowed to freeze would be very troublesome. -- atp "A motorcycle is a

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on udoo x86 / udoo x86 ultra was linuxcnc on raspberry pi 3

2017-02-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 February 2017 at 18:20, TJoseph Powderly wrote: > andyp was looking at an udoo, from messages back in 2014, > so i suspect it was an arm system, Mine is. I might try setting it up again, just as a test system. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Jim Craig
Syltherm or Dowtherm are just such oils that are used in heat transfer applications. Dowtherm is used in thermal solar power plants. There are others out there but I cannot remember them off the top of my head right now. If the right one is selected they would be much more stable at 280°C Jim

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Jim Craig
Compressed air is the least of the worry's when dealing with 1000psi steam. If something does give up the ghost it will not be leaking air or water it will be superheated steam. The biggest issue I see with they system is that there will be a very high probability of thermal stresses and fatigu

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Todd Zuercher
What about using some sort of oil, or some other liquid that would not have the high vapor pressures of water? - Original Message - From: "Chris Albertson" To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 12:49:16 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guida

[Emc-users] linuxcnc on udoo x86 / udoo x86 ultra was linuxcnc on raspberry pi 3

2017-02-08 Thread TJoseph Powderly
there are some x86 models, and one, the udoo x86 ultra, has an embedded arduino 101 (maybe a handy slave) there are also arm models but this x86 looks interesting forlinuxcnc the "udoo x86 ultra" tadaaa it came out of kickstarter http://mouser.com/new/udoo/udoo-x86/ https://www.slant.co/topi

Re: [Emc-users] Using a homing switch as a limit when not homed

2017-02-08 Thread Ed
On 02/08/2017 11:34 AM, dan...@austin.rr.com wrote: > I don't have a physical stop on my Z axis, putting one in would be a PITA. > The drive is exceptionally strong and it would be problematic to stop the > axis that way. If you're an idiot and jog it that way prior to homing, you > can dismou

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Chris Albertson
The only thing I know about this is that you absolutely need to keep air out of the system. It all needs to be designed so that trapping air in the plumbing is impossible. When/if the plumbing bursts having compressed air inside makes it a lot more dangerous. On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:30 PM, L

[Emc-users] Using a homing switch as a limit when not homed

2017-02-08 Thread dannym
I don't have a physical stop on my Z axis, putting one in would be a PITA. The drive is exceptionally strong and it would be problematic to stop the axis that way. If you're an idiot and jog it that way prior to homing, you can dismount the axis. There is a homing switch at Z+. It sounds des

Re: [Emc-users] suitable step motor drivers for Bridgeport Series-II mill

2017-02-08 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/08/2017 10:58 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > Can anybody recommend step motor drivers for a Bridgeport > Series-II mill? > I know there are some awful Chinese units out there, I'd > like to avoid recommending anything that would not be reliable. > > Anybody know the specs of the stepper motors they u

Re: [Emc-users] suitable step motor drivers for Bridgeport Series-II mill

2017-02-08 Thread sam sokolik
Some have used geckos. http://steampunkworkshop.com/bridgeport-series-ii-cnc-geckomach3-conversion/ seems to be getting 60ipm out of it. On 2/8/2017 10:58 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > Bridgeport > Series-II -- Check out the

[Emc-users] suitable step motor drivers for Bridgeport Series-II mill

2017-02-08 Thread Jon Elson
Can anybody recommend step motor drivers for a Bridgeport Series-II mill? I know there are some awful Chinese units out there, I'd like to avoid recommending anything that would not be reliable. Anybody know the specs of the stepper motors they used in the Series-II? Can Gecko 201/213 be used o

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on raspberry pi 3

2017-02-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 08 February 2017 10:49:02 W. Martinjak wrote: > On 2017-02-08 15:45, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Thats not an armhf, Andy, thats intels latest tiny & low power > > consumption board, but it speaks x86, not armhf. > > He meant this one: > > http://shop.udoo.org/usa/quad-dual/udoo-quad.html

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on raspberry pi 3

2017-02-08 Thread W. Martinjak
On 2017-02-08 15:45, Gene Heskett wrote: > Thats not an armhf, Andy, thats intels latest tiny & low power > consumption board, but it speaks x86, not armhf. He meant this one: http://shop.udoo.org/usa/quad-dual/udoo-quad.html http://www.udoo.org/docs/Introduction/Introduction.html -- "In der W

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on raspberry pi 3

2017-02-08 Thread andy pugh
On 8 February 2017 at 14:27, W. Martinjak wrote: > What keeps you from using SPI? Is there an SPI link between the processors? This has been written since I stopped playing with mine, but uses a serial link, and I was told on their IRC that the serial link is USB-to-serial. http://www.udoo.org/

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on raspberry pi 3

2017-02-08 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 08 February 2017 09:04:25 andy pugh wrote: > On 7 February 2017 at 22:39, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > > Feel free to pitch in and donate a reliable, fast armhf build > > machine to the linuxcnc buildbot if this is important to you. > > I am (maybe surprisingly) fuzzy on what consti

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on raspberry pi 3

2017-02-08 Thread W. Martinjak
On 2017-02-08 15:04, andy pugh wrote: > I got one with an eye to LinuxCNC use, but it turned out that the link > between the Arduino part and Linux part was USB and so not very > realtimey. What keeps you from using SPI? But I think it would be a good joice for the buildbot. The arduino part coul

Re: [Emc-users] Override Limits?

2017-02-08 Thread Dave Cole
I've seen this implemented on commercial machines. Oftentimes the button or switch is inside the control box. You really don't want to make it easy for the operator to override the hard limits. After all, they never should have gotten there in the first place! Dave On 2/7/2017 10:56 AM, S

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on raspberry pi 3

2017-02-08 Thread andy pugh
On 7 February 2017 at 22:39, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > Feel free to pitch in and donate a reliable, fast armhf build machine to > the linuxcnc buildbot if this is important to you. I am (maybe surprisingly) fuzzy on what constitutes Armhf. But I am wondering if the Udoo Quad might be a good c

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on raspberry pi 3

2017-02-08 Thread W. Martinjak
Hi Jeff! On 2017-02-08 03:21, Jeff Epler wrote: > You have misinterpreted my remarks. > > I am not against "support[ing] the arm platform". Yes, my reaction was a little bit hasty. But it has been triggered by the forum post and some other comments on the list.. > My IRC remarks are about the s

Re: [Emc-users] OT: Need some guidance on high temp/pressure water circuit

2017-02-08 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
Watch out for the steam! 2017-02-08 3:44 GMT+01:00 Gene Heskett : > On Tuesday 07 February 2017 18:30:18 Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > > > Hello to all! > > > > I'm in the process of designing and planning a system to rapid > > heating/cooling a mold for plastic injection. The project is still in >

Re: [Emc-users] linuxcnc on raspberry pi 3

2017-02-08 Thread Gregg Eshelman
This company has a 4 axis "hat" board for the Raspberry Pi. It uses Pololu style stepper drivers or you can get jumper boards for those sockets to use it with external drivers. The ebay listing for the external driver jumper boards shows how to use pieces of wire in the sockets if you don't feel