Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center - 5 axis machine advice.

2011-05-05 Thread Dave
In the same vain... what type of mill would make a good 5 axis conversion?? I just bought a large rotary table with an integral servo drive and motor. It has a 12 diameter slotted face plate and must weigh at least 6-800 lbs. I'm looking for suggestions on what VMC might be big enough to

Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center - 5 axis machine advice.

2011-05-05 Thread Eric Keller
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: In the same vain...  what type of mill would make a good 5 axis conversion?? snip Or am I on the wrong track.    Should I just look for a 5 axis mill with dead controls and convert it? Any suggestions? Dave Seems to me that

Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center - 5 axis machine advice.

2011-05-05 Thread Igor Chudov
My 12 inches CNC rotary table weighs closer to 250 lbs. http://igor.chudov.com/projects/Bridgeport-Series-II-Interact-2-CNC-Mill/24-Troyke-Rotary-Table-U12PNC/ On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: In the same vain... what type of mill would make a good 5 axis

Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center - 5 axis machine

2011-05-05 Thread Steve Van Der Loo
part. I am sure there are other machines that can do the job. But in any event it is going to use a lot of money and/or time to get it to go; 5 axis is expensive. Steve Message: 6 Date: Thu, 05 May 2011 14:38:28 -0400 From: Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis

Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center - 5 axis machine advice.

2011-05-05 Thread Dave
This one weighs considerably more. I can pickup 250 lbs, but I had a hard time sliding this one once I got it in my pickup truck bed. We used an engine hoist to load it as there was no way that two of us could lift it.It is programmable and has some type of air lock device in it also

Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center - 5 axis machine

2011-05-05 Thread Dave
...@dc9.tzo.com Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center - 5 axis machine advice. To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID:4dc2eea4.50...@dc9.tzo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed In the same vain... what type of mill would make a good 5 axis

Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center

2011-05-03 Thread Stuart Stevenson
agreed - the kinematics is in the g code program - just having the machine control the axes is enough to be able to cut 5 axis parts On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Dave Caroline dave.thearchiv...@gmail.comwrote: For certain classes of work you dont need special kinematics, I have been

[Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center - post processor

2011-05-03 Thread Steve
Stuart Stevenson replied agreed - the kinematics is in the g code program - just having the machine control the axes is enough to be able to cut 5 axis parts I was under the impression that the kinematics had to be written in EMC2 for the coordinated movement between all the axes to function

Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center - post processor

2011-05-03 Thread Stuart Stevenson
that is exactly correct for conventional 4/5 axis control if you want to simplify the programming you can develop kinematics for the machine this will allow simple programs to do complicated motion - it is not necessary for 5 axis motion - sometimes it is not desirable to get where you need to

[Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center

2011-05-03 Thread Steve
Hi Dave: So when are special kinematics needed? When are they not? Are you rotating your gear blank about AB to establish the desired cutting plane, locking it in that position, and then cutting with XYZ? Steve Van Der Loo Message: 3 Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 06:36:04 +0100 From: Dave Caroline

Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center - post processor

2011-05-03 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2011/5/3 Steve st...@tgifinc.com: Stuart Stevenson replied agreed - the kinematics is in the g code program - just having the machine control the axes is enough to be able to cut 5 axis parts I was under the impression that the kinematics had to be written in EMC2 for the coordinated

Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center - post processor

2011-05-03 Thread Stuart Stevenson
A cam system will still need a 5 axis post processor to be able to output 5 axis gcode. It will need to be matched to the machines kinematic capability. The simplification of programming a (in the control) kinematic module allows is plain operator/programmer readable code. If you have a program

Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center

2011-05-03 Thread Stuart Stevenson
one example if you have a XYZAB machine like my cinci (AB tilts the tool) a kinematics in the machine allow me to program a drill cycle, use W instead of Z, and drill along the axis of the tool no matter what angle the tool is tilting. On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Stuart Stevenson

Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center

2011-05-03 Thread Dave Caroline
As I hand code and can therefore control direction the rotaries move I can cut against the play/backlash inherent in the cheap rotaries I use, often the B axis will be locked though for greater rigidity. Im mostly cutting light weight brass blanks though. A reason I hand code is I cannot afford

[Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center

2011-05-02 Thread Steve
I am interested in adding a trunnion and rotary table to my existing machining center. The frame is excellent but the control is dead so I was thinking about using EMC2. Is there someone out there that has a successful running machine that I could talk to and get me going? Also is creating the

Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center

2011-05-02 Thread Stuart Stevenson
check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EYaM4FkASAfeature=related it would be a simple thing to modify the kinematics to do a tilting rotary table On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Steve st...@tgifinc.com wrote: I am interested in adding a trunnion and rotary table to my existing

Re: [Emc-users] 3+2 axis machining center

2011-05-02 Thread Dave Caroline
For certain classes of work you dont need special kinematics, I have been cutting gears for clocks on a mill with stacked A on B, I hand craft the gcode though, as it happens to suit the work I do. Dave Caroline On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Steve st...@tgifinc.com wrote: I am interested in