Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product --> SPI

2016-10-26 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> > > > Yes they are that fast in some micro controllers. But on the "Pi" > > they do > > > > about 500K. > > > Where did you get this value. > > > In my case it runs at 16 MHz fullduplex. > > > > 16Mbit full duplex is common for cheap small micro controllers. > > > > I don't understand. Are you

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product --> SPI

2016-10-26 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Nicklas Karlsson < nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 2016-10-26 08:39, Chris Albertson wrote: > > > Yes they are that fast in some micro controllers. But on the "Pi" > they do > > > about 500K. > > Where did you get this value. > > In my case it runs at

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-26 Thread Chris Albertson
The best way to backup a Pi based system is to set it up so a backup is never needed. You write to the SD card once and save the image file. The never wrote to the card again. You can replace the card from your "standard" image file. These Pis will never have a large hard disk attached to th

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-26 Thread Chris Albertson
The little circuit board you envision that sits on top on the Pi. Would be nice and easy to use. But there is not room on that size card for screw terminals. You are talking about building a Mesa card that is less than half the size of a Mesa card. Would be hard to do. The way I like to do t

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-26 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 12:11 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > This is touted to be 100% compatible with R-Pi stuff. But has an > allwinner H3 brain, so it runs on intel code, not arm. All Allwinner products are ARM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allwinner_Technology#H-Series_.28OTT_box_application.29 h

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product --> SPI

2016-10-26 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> On 2016-10-26 08:39, Chris Albertson wrote: > > Yes they are that fast in some micro controllers. But on the "Pi" they do > > about 500K. > Where did you get this value. > In my case it runs at 16 MHz fullduplex. 16Mbit full duplex is common for cheap small micro controllers. It is cheap an

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-26 Thread bari
On 10/26/2016 12:36 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 26 October 2016 00:42:02 Chris Albertson wrote: > >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Gene Heskett > wrote: >>> On Tuesday 25 October 2016 23:07:55 bari wrote: >>> >>> >>> This is touted to be 100% compatible with R-Pi stuff. But has an >>

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-26 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
We're running 72Mhz dual channel-DDR-QSPI on a little Cortex ARM = 1.152Gbit/s :) (FWIW, more for super low delay than raw data rate) On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:12 AM, W. Martinjak wrote: > On 2016-10-26 08:39, Chris Albertson wrote: > > Yes they are that fast in some micro controllers. But on

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-26 Thread W. Martinjak
On 2016-10-26 08:39, Chris Albertson wrote: > Yes they are that fast in some micro controllers. But on the "Pi" they do > about 500K. Where did you get this value. In my case it runs at 16 MHz fullduplex. -- "In der Wissenschaft siegt nie eine neue Theorie, nur ihre Gegner sterben nach und

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 26 October 2016 01:36:00 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 26 October 2016 00:42:02 Chris Albertson wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Gene Heskett > > wrote: > > > On Tuesday 25 October 2016 23:07:55 bari wrote: > > > > > > > > > This is touted to be 100% compatible with R

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-26 Thread andy pugh
On 26 October 2016 at 00:32, Bruce Layne wrote: > What I'd really like to see > is a controller in the class of the Raspberry Pi with a stack-on > daughter board for the FPGA motion control and general purpose I/O. I think that you might want to consider the reverse, an FPGA motion controller wit

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:38 PM, Nicklas Karlsson < nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think SPI runs at 500 KHz. That is 50 times slower then Ethernet if > you > > look at only the bit rate. But what matters, I think more is the time > it > > takes to send one message. It might (mayb

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 26 October 2016 00:42:02 Chris Albertson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 25 October 2016 23:07:55 bari wrote: > > > > > > This is touted to be 100% compatible with R-Pi stuff. But has an > > allwinner H3 brain, so it runs on intel code, n

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 26 October 2016 00:21:37 Chris Albertson wrote: > I think SPI runs at 500 KHz. That is 50 times slower then Ethernet if > you look at only the bit rate. But what matters, I think more is the > time it takes to send one message. It might (maybe?) be faster on > SPI because you avo

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread dragon
The Allwinner H3 is a quad core ARM processor... not intel. While the orange Pi claims 100% compatibility with the raspberry Pi add-ons there are reports of a few incompatibilities. Also note that it does have a different graphics core and I think a different ethernet core as well and not all of th

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 9:11 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 25 October 2016 23:07:55 bari wrote: > > > This is touted to be 100% compatible with R-Pi stuff. But has an > allwinner H3 brain, so it runs on intel code, not arm. Its all ordered > now Bari, so we'll find out I guess. > The All

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> I think SPI runs at 500 KHz. That is 50 times slower then Ethernet if you > look at only the bit rate. But what matters, I think more is the time it > takes to send one message. It might (maybe?) be faster on SPI because you > avoid the TCP/IP stack. With SPI your software is driving the ba

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product --> surplus PC

2016-10-25 Thread Nicklas Karlsson
> The appeal of consumer products is that they can be much cheaper than > industrial or custom products. Using a PC, and parallel port card with > LinuxCNC can make for a very affordable machine controller, but I am > always on the lookout for other options. Embedded processor cards are > popul

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread Chris Albertson
I think SPI runs at 500 KHz. That is 50 times slower then Ethernet if you look at only the bit rate. But what matters, I think more is the time it takes to send one message. It might (maybe?) be faster on SPI because you avoid the TCP/IP stack. With SPI your software is driving the bare hardw

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 October 2016 23:07:55 bari wrote: > @Gene > > Not sure how well SPI works on the Orange Pi. Since you've decided on > the 7i90HD with SPI why don't use use the Rpiwith it? > > Orange Pi board, Ethernet > 7i92, hm2_ethdriver > > > Rpi board, SPI >7i90, hm2_raspi driver This

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread Chris Albertson
The surplus PC is only cheaper if it is indeed surplus. I just got two for free.A free quad core I7 is the most compute power per dollar I'm likely to find. But for other applications I need a smaller physical size and low enough power to run on batteries. Low cost is a nice plus if I can g

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 October 2016 21:52:08 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 25 October 2016 21:03:51 W. Martinjak wrote: > > On 2016-10-25 23:10, Kirk Wallace wrote: > > > So, I'm back to piecing together some sort of beagleduino > > > thing if I want a pad class controller. > > > > OK, then let me promo

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread bari
@Gene Not sure how well SPI works on the Orange Pi. Since you've decided on the 7i90HD with SPI why don't use use the Rpiwith it? Orange Pi board, Ethernet > 7i92, hm2_ethdriver Rpi board, SPI >7i90, hm2_raspi driver On 10/25/2016 08:52 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 25 Octobe

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 October 2016 21:03:51 W. Martinjak wrote: > On 2016-10-25 23:10, Kirk Wallace wrote: > > So, I'm back to piecing together some sort of beagleduino > > thing if I want a pad class controller. > > OK, then let me promote my hm2_raspi driver. > > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boa

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread W. Martinjak
On 2016-10-25 23:10, Kirk Wallace wrote: > So, I'm back to piecing together some sort of beagleduino > thing if I want a pad class controller. > OK, then let me promote my hm2_raspi driver. https://forum.linuxcnc.org/27-driver-boards/31753-raspberry-pi-and-mesa-7i90-spi-works-well#82070 You may

Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread Bruce Layne
On 10/25/2016 05:10 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: > the hardware inside is radio hardware, so the main board would be wasted on > a machine controller A lot of people like to listen to music or talk radio in the shop. Maybe that radio hardware is not a waste after all. :-) I need a dual core contro

[Emc-users] LinuxCNC and a Consumer Product

2016-10-25 Thread Kirk Wallace
The appeal of consumer products is that they can be much cheaper than industrial or custom products. Using a PC, and parallel port card with LinuxCNC can make for a very affordable machine controller, but I am always on the lookout for other options. Embedded processor cards are popular now, bu