Re: [Emc-users] variable reluctance motors

2013-05-04 Thread N. Christopher Perry
As I said, trying to align injected harmonic content to a signal in real-time with the required accuracy, while the fundamental frequency is rapidly changing, is not algorithmically possible given existing control schemes. Even if you could figure out how to fix that, no one has come up with a

Re: [Emc-users] variable reluctance motors

2013-05-04 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
W/ DQ control most of these problems become FAR simpler problems to deal with. But at that point you might as well go 'whole hog' and servo an induction motor. VR motors are attractive becasue they use cheap simple controls. Once you need a real processor an induction machine does a better

[Emc-users] variable reluctance motors

2013-05-03 Thread Roland Jollivet
Ok, I did not know that. I would think though, that ripple and resolution are software issues which should be readily solvable for a particular motor with the complexity afforded by micros today, and only needs to be done once. The material cost savings though, accumulate. Regards Roland On 2

Re: [Emc-users] variable reluctance motors

2013-05-03 Thread N. Christopher Perry
Turns out that ripple compensation is very doable at steady speeds (which is why your new washing machine doesn't immediately shake itself to prices, where SR motors are most common these days) but is very hard to do in real-time at rapidly changing speeds, such as servoing applications. The

Re: [Emc-users] variable reluctance motors

2013-05-03 Thread Gregg Eshelman
--- On Fri, 5/3/13, N. Christopher Perry n_christopher_pe...@me.com wrote: clip The main scheme for accomplishing ripple reduction is harmonic injection, but that requires very accurate phase and magnitude targets, both of which can be expected to change as a function of speed and torque. 

[Emc-users] variable reluctance motors

2013-05-02 Thread Roland Jollivet
Hi All Can anyone tell me if they are actually using variable reluctance motors as servos on CNC machines. I find it odd that such a simple motor is not in greater use. The only place I've ever seen them used was to position the head on old 8in floppy drives. Maybe they just don't have a good

Re: [Emc-users] variable reluctance motors

2013-05-02 Thread Cogoman
I believe I have seen them used to advance the roller on an electric typewriter. When the current is off, there's no cogging like hybrid steppers have. That makes adjust paper height by hand seem normal for a typewriter. Sent from my Kyocera Rise Roland Jollivet roland.jolli...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Emc-users] variable reluctance motors

2013-05-02 Thread N. Christopher Perry
They have a lot of torque ripple and are harder to micro step. Given these factors their development is usually very targeted, so you won't generally find them lying about in surplus piles. For things like plasma and torch cutters they are probably a very cost effective alternative, if you