[-empyre-] ethology?

2014-11-14 Thread Alan Sondheim
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- I read with great interest, Reinhold's post; he states All living being is open, in constant exchange with the world, with persons, other species and things around, with what is his Umwelt or his living-world. A newborn is in an

Re: [-empyre-] ethology?

2014-11-14 Thread John Hopkins
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Hi Alan -- - And I wonder, why isn't sociobiology on the table here? It seems to me that violence is ingrained in being-human; although there are exceptions, most of human history seems bathed in blood. For me, part of the question does

Re: [-empyre-] ethology?

2014-11-14 Thread Reinhold Görling
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Dear Alan, it’s always problematic to argue that there is a difference between human beings and other species. The longer one looks at it the smaller the difference become. But I think the use of violence is in fact quite different. It

Re: [-empyre-] ethology?

2014-11-14 Thread Alan Sondheim
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- There's also considerable violence in small societies, in small towns; and of course there are altruistic decisions people make at any scale - otherwise there wouldn't be global charities, giving to flood victims in other countries,

Re: [-empyre-] ethology?

2014-11-14 Thread Alan Sondheim
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Coot mothers will torture their weaker young, literally torture, until the young coot dies of exhaustion, anomie, etc. The videos are disturbing. And there's bullying, which is definitely a form of torture, among other species -

Re: [-empyre-] ethology?

2014-11-14 Thread John Hopkins
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- There's also considerable violence in small societies, in small towns; and of this suggests that those social configurations are *not* 'clan' based -- which seems to be the case in our 'mixed-up' society. Internal 'clan' violence of

Re: [-empyre-] ethology?

2014-11-14 Thread Alan Sondheim
--empyre- soft-skinned space-- Hi John! A couple of things - it depends how 'clan' is defined; there is plenty of internecine warfare within clans (see the sagas!) as well as in very coherent small towns - try being gay in one of them, or a different race. You