Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 06.02.15 00:33, Doug Barton wrote: On 2/5/15 3:26 PM, Ian Mann wrote: With old equipment can the user remain on 1.x with an old version of enigma? No, that's the point of this exercise, to remove 1.x support altogether. :) I'd formulate

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05.02.15 21:02, Doug Barton wrote: On 2/4/15 11:01 PM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: The question is not so much the effort - you won't get a figure from me. The main concern is code complexity, which makes things hard to read, understand,

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05.02.15 16:46, Philip Jackson wrote: On 04/02/15 18:13, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: My plan is as follows: * Enigmail 1.8.x will still support GnuPG 1.4.x. However, if Enigmail detects GnuPG 1.4.x, a message will be displayed saying that GnuPG

Re: [Enigmail] Typo in enigmail.dtd

2015-02-05 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05.02.15 09:49, Besnik Bleta wrote: Hello, There’s a typo in enigmail.dtd: specifiy instead of specify. I'd say you looked at some older version of enigmail.dtd? I cannot find this on master; I think it was fixed already. - -Patric

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Philip Jackson
On 05/02/15 21:02, Doug Barton wrote: From my perspective, until the majority of OS' that ship GnuPG are shipping 2.x by default, removing 1.x support is premature. I should add that I'm using that transition as a bellwether of sorts, as I *think* that seeing this transition will also

Re: [Enigmail] GnuPG 2.0 for Windows (was: Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support)

2015-02-05 Thread Sebastian Rose-Indorf
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Hello, If there is a problem with Kleopatra you may instead use GPA Blind users cannot use GPA or Kleopatra, though. Sebastian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 - GPGrelay v0.962

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Ludwig Hügelschäfer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05.02.15 21:02, Doug Barton wrote: What you're proposing will create a whole new set of support problems, starting with the return of You must use the packaged version! on Linux, and similar platforms. No, this requirement will not start

Re: [Enigmail] GnuPG 2.0 for Windows

2015-02-05 Thread David
On 2/5/2015 3:49 PM, Sebastian Rose-Indorf wrote: Hello, If there is a problem with Kleopatra you may instead use GPA Blind users cannot use GPA or Kleopatra, though. Sebastian What software do blind users use? -- David signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[Enigmail] Typo in enigmail.dtd

2015-02-05 Thread Besnik Bleta
Hello, There’s a typo in enigmail.dtd: specifiy instead of specify. Cheers, Besnik ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here:

Re: [Enigmail] How to: Use PGP for Windows PC

2015-02-05 Thread Pascal Winkelmann
Thanks for the link. Even though I know how to use pgp on windows. There are great topics covered in there for example the information about Threat Modeling. Definitely will put that in my saved link list. Pascal Winkelmann Am 04.02.2015 um 21:02 schrieb Samir Nassar: In response to some issues

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Doug Barton
On 2/5/15 1:03 PM, Ludwig Hügelschäfer wrote: On 05.02.15 21:02, Doug Barton wrote: What you're proposing will create a whole new set of support problems, starting with the return of You must use the packaged version! on Linux, and similar platforms. No, this requirement will not start the

Re: [Enigmail] GnuPG 2.0 for Windows

2015-02-05 Thread Sebastian Rose-Indorf
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 What software do blind users use? For example - on Windows - good old WinPT and GPGrelay with GnuPG v1. Sebastian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 - GPGrelay v0.962

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Robert J. Hansen
From my perspective, until the majority of OS' that ship GnuPG are shipping 2.x by default, removing 1.x support is premature. This would be a problem if the OSes that ship Enigmail had no way to make GnuPG 2 a dependency. Virtually all of them do, so I don't see the problem. I get the

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Robert J. Hansen
will create _some_ support burden. Is the code to support 1.x in Enigmail really *that* difficult to work with/work around that it justifies taking on these burdens now, rather than some time down the road when more people have already transitioned? Ah, the broccoli argument. I hate

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Doug Barton
On 2/5/15 3:08 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: will create _some_ support burden. Is the code to support 1.x in Enigmail really *that* difficult to work with/work around that it justifies taking on these burdens now, rather than some time down the road when more people have already transitioned?

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Ian Mann
If the wizard takes users to 2.x then I cannot see an issue. With old equipment can the user remain on 1.x with an old version of enigma? Ian On 06/02/15 10:08, Robert J. Hansen wrote: will create _some_ support burden. Is the code to support 1.x in Enigmail really *that* difficult to work

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Doug Barton
On 2/5/15 3:03 PM, Robert J. Hansen wrote: From my perspective, until the majority of OS' that ship GnuPG are shipping 2.x by default, removing 1.x support is premature. This would be a problem if the OSes that ship Enigmail had no way to make GnuPG 2 a dependency. Virtually all of them do,

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Doug Barton
On 2/5/15 3:26 PM, Ian Mann wrote: With old equipment can the user remain on 1.x with an old version of enigma? No, that's the point of this exercise, to remove 1.x support altogether. :) ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Ian Mann
Thanks Doug, Ian On 06/02/15 10:33, Doug Barton wrote: On 2/5/15 3:26 PM, Ian Mann wrote: With old equipment can the user remain on 1.x with an old version of enigma? No, that's the point of this exercise, to remove 1.x support altogether. :)

Re: [Enigmail] Typo in enigmail.dtd

2015-02-05 Thread Patrick Brunschwig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05.02.15 17:11, Koszta Dániel wrote: I'd say you looked at some older version of enigmail.dtd? I cannot find this on master; I think it was fixed already. It appears to be present in some files. $ grep -Rl 'specifiy' .

Re: [Enigmail] Typo in enigmail.dtd

2015-02-05 Thread Koszta Dániel
It appears to be present in some files. $ grep -Rl 'specifiy' . ./lang/pt-BR/enigmail.dtd ./lang/fi-FI/enigmail.dtd ./lang/ar/enigmail.dtd I'd say you looked at some older version of enigmail.dtd? I cannot find this on master; I think it was fixed already. -Patric

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Robert J. Hansen
Would it be worthwhile having enigmail pass straight to GnuPG 2.1 ? No. GnuPG 2.1 seems like it should be a minor revision (after all, it’s just a .1 increment), but quite a lot has changed: the addition of ECC, the new keybox format, changing how supporting programs work, and more. Like any

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Bob Henson
On 05/02/2015 6:55 am, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: On 04.02.15 20:16, Bob Henson wrote: On 04/02/2015 5:13 pm, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: We recently discussed in (a part of) the Enigmail team that we should think about giving up support for GnuPG 1.4.x. Hmm - just tried the GPG4Win installer

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Bob Henson
On 04/02/2015 8:15 pm, Doug Barton wrote: On 2/4/15 11:16 AM, Bob Henson wrote: On 04/02/2015 5:13 pm, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: We recently discussed in (a part of) the Enigmail team that we should think about giving up support for GnuPG 1.4.x. Hmm - just tried the GPG4Win installer - it

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Anne Wilson
On 04/02/2015 19:20, Andreas Hirsch wrote: Bob Henson schrieb am 2015-02-04 um 20:16: On 04/02/2015 5:13 pm, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: We recently discussed in (a part of) the Enigmail team that we should think about giving up support for GnuPG 1.4.x. Hmm - just tried the GPG4Win

Re: [Enigmail] GnuPG 2.0 for Windows

2015-02-05 Thread Bob Henson
On 05/02/2015 10:52 am, Werner Koch wrote: If there is a problem with Kleopatra you may instead use GPA - just do not install Kleopatra, use a registry setting, or delete the Kleopatra binary. Except for some minor things GPA provide the same functionally (called the UI-Server) and in

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Enigmail User
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2/4/2015 12:13, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: We recently discussed in (a part of) the Enigmail team that we should think about giving up support for GnuPG 1.4.x. So I have gone into my Enigmail preferences and I've set the override option

Re: [Enigmail] Medium Term Plan for Dropping GnuPG 1.4.x Support

2015-02-05 Thread Doug Barton
On 2/4/15 11:01 PM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote: The question is not so much the effort - you won't get a figure from me. The main concern is code complexity, which makes things hard to read, understand, develop, improve or fix. Yes, I get that. :) But without some sort of quantification it's