Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-10-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:12:48 -0400 Michael Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Tuesday, 27 September 2005, at 10:24:28 (+0200), > Andreas Volz wrote: > > > Only one example. I think the default settings should be what most > > users like and not what the main developers like. > > The work

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-28 Thread Michael Jennings
On Wednesday, 28 September 2005, at 10:55:23 (-0700), Blake Barnett wrote: > The "community" would like to use you up and toss you aside. Or put > you on a pedestal and worship you. Or both, and not necessarily in > that order. I feel so...used! :-O Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-28 Thread Blake Barnett
Michael Jennings wrote: Surely the community would not wish to begrudge us even that one small "reimbursement" for our time The "community" would like to use you up and toss you aside. Or put you on a pedestal and worship you. Or both, and not necessarily in that order. -Blake --

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-28 Thread Michael Jennings
On Tuesday, 27 September 2005, at 10:24:28 (+0200), Andreas Volz wrote: > Only one example. I think the default settings should be what most > users like and not what the main developers like. The work of developing the software is significant. The work of making multiple optional behaviors and

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:24:34 -0500 Frederick Reeve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Andreas Volz wrote: > > > > >Useability is also a question of "good" defaults. I'm not sure, but do > >you really think there're more users that use this sloopy mouse > >function (which is default) than the focus by

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:53:03 -0300 Ivan Hernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > I really thin most e users use the "sloppy" or "mouse" model... but most PC > users, use click model. that's just because the 3 big players on the PC > desktop are using it. Win32, KDE and Gnome. > Anyway, there is

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:24:28 +0200 Andreas Volz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Am Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:04:54 -0400 (EDT) schrieb > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > I've always been baffled by the idea of an openusability standard. > > Usability is quite different for a lot of people. My grandma's idea of

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:20:39 -0400 (EDT) dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > Useability is also a question of "good" defaults. I'm not sure, but do > > you really think there're more users that use this sloopy mouse > > function (which is default) than the focus by click mode? ;-) > > >

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread Shanon Loveridge
On 9/27/05, Andreas Volz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Useability is also a question of "good" defaults. I'm not sure, but doyou really think there're more users that use this sloopy mouse function (which is default) than the focus by click mode? ;-)   This depends on your background. If you are used

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread Ivan Hernandez
Very interested, but i'm in the opinion that to create a project firt one needs some code! else you can start to promise Duke Nukem Forever... for the next year ;) Thanks Ivan Hernandez (aka zaikxtox) El Mar 27 Sep 2005 14:49, Blake Barnett escribió: > edevelop.org ---

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread Blake Barnett
Andreas Volz wrote: Am Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:53:03 -0300 schrieb Ivan Hernandez: I really thin most e users use the "sloppy" or "mouse" model... but most PC users, use click model. that's just because the 3 big players on the PC desktop are using it. Win32, KDE and Gnome. Anyway, there is a p

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread Andreas Volz
Am Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:53:03 -0300 schrieb Ivan Hernandez: > I really thin most e users use the "sloppy" or "mouse" model... but > most PC users, use click model. that's just because the 3 big players > on the PC desktop are using it. Win32, KDE and Gnome. > Anyway, there is a path to give users t

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread Ivan Hernandez
I really thin most e users use the "sloppy" or "mouse" model... but most PC users, use click model. that's just because the 3 big players on the PC desktop are using it. Win32, KDE and Gnome. Anyway, there is a path to give users the focus model they like without the need to swim deep into the e

RE: Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread dan sinclair
> The developers aren't forced to follow this votes, but perhaps it > chould answer such questions. How could you say "yes"? Do you really > know how many people use E(17)? I think not... ;-) You asked for my opinion and I gave it. Why wouldn't the developers optimize the system with _their_ defa

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread Andreas Volz
Am Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:20:39 -0400 (EDT) schrieb dan sinclair: > > Useability is also a question of "good" defaults. I'm not sure, but > > do you really think there're more users that use this sloopy mouse > > function (which is default) than the focus by click mode? ;-) > > > > yes Hm, I didn'

RE: Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread dan sinclair
> Useability is also a question of "good" defaults. I'm not sure, but do > you really think there're more users that use this sloopy mouse > function (which is default) than the focus by click mode? ;-) > yes --- SF.Net email is sponsored

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread Frederick Reeve
Andreas Volz wrote: Useability is also a question of "good" defaults. I'm not sure, but do you really think there're more users that use this sloopy mouse function (which is default) than the focus by click mode? ;-) Only one example. I think the default settings should be what most users like

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread Andreas Volz
Am Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:04:54 -0400 (EDT) schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I've always been baffled by the idea of an openusability standard. > Usability is quite different for a lot of people. My grandma's idea of > usability is much different to a mine, and one of the great things > about linux is it

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-27 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:04:54 -0400 (EDT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: > I've always been baffled by the idea of an openusability standard. > Usability is quite different for a lot of people. My grandma's idea of > usability is much different to a mine, and one of the great things about > linux is it

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-26 Thread Ben Ford
Frederick Reeve wrote: > An example of usability that works for me but not the majority is > focus follows pointer without raise on click. A few years back gnome > had a big flame fest on this when they took all options for turning > off raise on click out. I hate raise on click and wrote them a

Re: [E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-26 Thread Frederick Reeve
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raster and co. babbled: Hm, I don't really know what you mean, cause AFAIK gnome has never registered any applications at openusability, cause they have "their own" usability experts. and furthermore: I don't find gnome unusable, in fact i think it's the most usable

[E-devel] Re: [e-users] Some feedback

2005-09-26 Thread d . stonier
Raster and co. babbled: >> Hm, I don't really know what you mean, cause AFAIK gnome has never >> registered any applications at openusability, cause they have "their >> own" usability experts. and furthermore: I don't find gnome unusable, in >> fact i think it's the most usable desktop on the gnu