Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] AD Group Policies under Linux?

2020-10-21 Thread James M. Pulver
No. Linux doesn't have a group policy engine or a registry to apply them to. -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University From: Enterprise on behalf of Luca Manganelli Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 3:02 AM To: enterprise@mozilla.org S

[Mozilla Enterprise] Disable DoH via policy.json?

2020-02-27 Thread James M. Pulver
Is there a policy yet for ESR to disable DoH? -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://ma

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox 71/68.3esr: Profile issues and bugs during upgrade

2019-12-06 Thread James M. Pulver
At least firefox works for you after the upgrade. We've had a bunch of users who firefox wouldn't launch at all. Manual uninstall via control panel and then redeploy is all that worked for fixing it. Scripted uninstall failed. And the manual uninstall required a reboot! Also, at least some of t

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox ESR 68.3.0 released

2019-12-04 Thread James M. Pulver
Still breaks Firefox here at CLASSE. -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 12/3/19 6:29 PM, Liz Henry (:lizzard) wrote: > Hi, > > We are pleased to announce that the Firefox ESR 68.2.0 release is now > available for download at: > https://www.mozilla.org/firefox/organizatio

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Install/Uninstall/Update distribution

2019-11-20 Thread James M. Pulver
I will say, I had major profile issues going on (one) PC from ESR52 to 68. You need to have v60 migrate the user profiles before going to 68 or will need to delete all the user profiles before going to 68. -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 11/20/19 7:22 AM, Dimas Strei

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Mozilla To Stop Supporting Sideloaded Extensions In Firefox

2019-11-04 Thread James M. Pulver
I'm guessing if you're deploying policies as policies.json you probably can template it in your configuration management tool. I find this is where erb templates shine in puppet for instance. -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 11/4/19 6:30 AM, Marco Gaiarin wrote: > Man

[Mozilla Enterprise] ESR 52.x to 68.2.0 lost bookmarks

2019-11-01 Thread James M. Pulver
We had a user who had the management software stop working properly on his PC and so didn't get updated along the way to 60.0 and point releases etc. I fixed that yesterday, and so Firefox was updated from 32 bit 52.x to 64 bit 68.2.0. This is on Windows 10 1607 LTSB. Afterwards, it looked like

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] ESR68.2.0 on one Win10 laptop and user won't launch

2019-10-30 Thread James M. Pulver
start blocking > things they are not supposed to block. > > Timo Pietilä > > On 30.10.2019 15.27, James M. Pulver wrote: >> I have a somewhat odd issue with a Lenovo X1 Carbon 6th gen running >> Windows 10 1809 LTSC and just deployed 68.2.0ESR over 60.8.0ESR. This >

[Mozilla Enterprise] ESR68.2.0 on one Win10 laptop and user won't launch

2019-10-30 Thread James M. Pulver
I have a somewhat odd issue with a Lenovo X1 Carbon 6th gen running Windows 10 1809 LTSC and just deployed 68.2.0ESR over 60.8.0ESR. This laptop is a "kiosk" for us, which means it autologins to a useraccount, vaclab. This is a domain account. This laptop was just out for repair and had the m.2

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] (no subject)

2019-08-19 Thread James M. Pulver
On 8/19/19 6:46 AM, Timo Pietilä wrote: On 18.8.2019 18.58, Paul Kosinski via Enterprise wrote: As a long-time Firefox user, I went to ESR because I prefer stability to new features, and I especially don't like gratuitous changes to the User Interface. The move to Tabs on Top was ugly: I think

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] (no subject)

2019-08-16 Thread James M. Pulver
Honestly, I would like less releases of new major versions. It's a pain when the whole management system changes, or you have to fix your config for the new version. It's easy to push a patch, but if you're going to change how it works, do it less. James Pulver

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] What Missing Policies are preventing you from migrating?

2018-12-13 Thread James M. Pulver
Is there a policy for adding to the Help menu like with CCK2? We add a local "submit a service request" item there. Does anyone know how to extract a search engine from Firefox? I want to add startpage.com but it's been in the CCK for so long I don't recall how it was added. Just on a browser

[Mozilla Enterprise] Translation between CCK2 / Autoconfig and policy file?

2018-11-09 Thread James M. Pulver
Is there a matching document / translation? Program? Update to CCK2? Ought I just post my current config here for help translating? I'd like to keep deploying with Puppet the same policy on our linux and windows computers if possible. Is there a way to have a version appear in Help -> About Fi

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Upgrades with setup.exe (was Re: policies.json file deleting upon firefox upgrade)

2018-10-30 Thread James M. Pulver
I don't know how it's supposed to work, but I've never had a problem with it since the 3.x days. -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 10/29/2018 11:17 PM, Andrew J. Buehler wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2018-10-29 at 17:37, Felipe Gomes wrote

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] FF62+ Autoconfig sandbox changes (was Re: Firefox 62 Policy Template Updates Available)

2018-09-11 Thread James M. Pulver
I think a CCK2 some sort of GUI for cross platform configurations would be helpful. A Converter if you've already got a working CCK2 would be helpful, even if you're only Windows. Re-making the whole configuration, only for Windows, in GPO is kind of a PITA and step backwards. -- James Pulver

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request: Smoke Test Firefox 60.2.0esr

2018-08-16 Thread James M. Pulver
Kind of random, but regarding Policy - will there be a converter from Autoconfig to policy, or more specifically CCK2 to policy? -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 08/16/2018 01:46 PM, Ryan VanderMeulen wrote: Hello, As we approach the ESR 60.2.0 release date of Sept

[Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox ESR 60.1.0 youtube stream can max out system memory

2018-07-18 Thread James M. Pulver
I've been tracking 64 bit Firefox ESR 60.x on Windows using 2.5x or more RAM than the 32 bit 52 ESRs did. I've had a report now on Windows 10 1607LTSB Enterprise where leaving a youtube audio stream going overnight used up pretty much all available RAM. Is this an artifact of long term streami

[Mozilla Enterprise] Problems on Windows with 52.8ESR to 60.1.0ESR

2018-06-28 Thread James M. Pulver
I'm getting reports from *one* of my testers that Firefox is eating all his RAM after the upgrade (not the case with 52.8) and that tabs are coming back after he has "killed" them. But mostly he claims there's "a serious memory leak"... Specifically 52.8 would take a week or two to reach 2GB RA

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Does ESR52 honor CCK2 / autoconfig cache settings?

2018-04-20 Thread James M. Pulver
I've now opened a bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1455723 We also confirmed with Quantum / RR59 does the same thing. -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 04/18/2018 11:41 AM, James M. Pulver wrote: I should point out, this is on SL7.4, and any se

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Does ESR52 honor CCK2 / autoconfig cache settings?

2018-04-18 Thread James M. Pulver
I should point out, this is on SL7.4, and any setting there results in a new profile having the cache set to 1024MB. -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 04/18/2018 10:22 AM, James M. Pulver wrote: We're deploying multiple settings via a CCK2 autoconfig setting, bu

[Mozilla Enterprise] Does ESR52 honor CCK2 / autoconfig cache settings?

2018-04-18 Thread James M. Pulver
We're deploying multiple settings via a CCK2 autoconfig setting, but the cache settings seem to be ignored. "browser.cache.disk.capacity": { "value": 24576 }, "browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled": { "value": false }, are the "autoconfig" CCK2 settings deployed, yet ne

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Policy Manager and AutoConfig

2018-03-16 Thread James M. Pulver
aply wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 8:03 AM, James M. Pulver <mailto:jmp...@cornell.edu>> wrote: Linux especially doesn't seem to have any standard management. We're open to any ideas folks have about how to do this stuff. Your thoughts about e

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Policy Manager and AutoConfig

2018-03-16 Thread James M. Pulver
Linux especially doesn't seem to have any standard management. We're open to any ideas folks have about how to do this stuff. Your thoughts about environment variables is great. Mike I might suggest that many enterprise products end up with management modules for puppet and the equivalent

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Testing CCK2 configs with Quantum

2018-03-16 Thread James M. Pulver
with "Quantum". (i.e. 59) James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 03/14/2018 01:56 PM, James M. Pulver wrote: I've tried on Windows as well, and get a "Failed to read the configuration file." I went through my CCK2 and generated a new version per the

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Policy Manager and AutoConfig

2018-03-14 Thread James M. Pulver
With the policy manager stuff, how does it work on Linux? I.e. I really want the same configuration on both platforms. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 03/14/2018 02:08 PM, Mike Kaply wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 12:55 PM, Jason Jackson > w

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Policy Manager and AutoConfig

2018-03-14 Thread James M. Pulver
Furthermore I hope CCK2 / autoconfig will continue to work with ESR indefinitely. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 03/14/2018 01:55 PM, Jason Jackson wrote: Firefox Beta 60 is out today with support for Policy Manager.  Currently there’s only a small number of policies,

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Testing CCK2 configs with Quantum

2018-03-14 Thread James M. Pulver
es Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 03/01/2018 03:20 PM, James M. Pulver wrote: I'm trying to use an appimage of Firefox Quantum on EL7. I understand the additional complications here. However, is anyone using CCK2 stuff with 58.0.2 RR? What directory should I put what

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Fwd: Stupidly Slow Firefox ESR (RJRiley.C)

2018-03-07 Thread James M. Pulver
While I haven't noticed that this is more prevalent with 52.2 and up, we did get a recent notice on Scientific Linux 7 that it is hanging up and all around being slow. I've noticed it myself for the entire 52 ESR line, and recall it being annoyingly slow, if usable in 45 on Windows 7 also... I.

[Mozilla Enterprise] Testing CCK2 configs with Quantum

2018-03-01 Thread James M. Pulver
I'm trying to use an appimage of Firefox Quantum on EL7. I understand the additional complications here. However, is anyone using CCK2 stuff with 58.0.2 RR? What directory should I put what CCK2 output files in normally? Also any hints if you've used the "portable packaging" of appimage where

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Announcing the next Extended Support Release of Firefox - ESR60 with policy engine

2017-12-20 Thread James M. Pulver
I am looking at Vivaldi and PaleMoon as alternatives. Sadly, PaleMoon uses it's own somewhat odd updater that it seems like you have to remember to run occasionally (at least on Linxu) and isn't actually faster than Firefox with lots of tabs. There's also WaterFox but I can't really comment on

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Setting up Firefox ESR with Group Policies ?

2017-11-21 Thread James M. Pulver
I think the issue is going to be that they also need to support similar configuration options on Linux and Mac, and those don't process GPOs. Now, I don't necessarily care if they want to somehow process GPOs themselves on Linux, I just want one config (like with current CCK2) that I can deploy

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Is CCK2 compatible with Firefox>=57?

2017-10-09 Thread James M. Pulver
On top of that, with the various mozilla annoyances, will CCK2 work with say Pale Moon or Waterfox alternative browsers? James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 10/09/2017 10:38 AM, Mossroy wrote: In fact, it's 2 different questions : - we deploy autoconfig scripts generated

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox

2017-08-23 Thread James M. Pulver
I'm saying I don't want the CCK to go away, unless Mozilla is going to also have ESR consume GPOs somehow on the other OSs. I.e. I don't want to do 3x the work configuring the same settings in 3 different UIs and manually syncing changes. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Request for feedback: a MSI installer of Firefox

2017-08-22 Thread James M. Pulver
Personally, I like the current setup once I got Puppet going. The reason is consistent configuration for Windows, Linux and Mac. I wouldn't want to do 2 or more attempts to apply the same configuration across the platforms, at that point, I lose a lot of benefit from Firefox. James Pulver CLAS

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] AutoConfig Javascript

2017-08-02 Thread James M. Pulver
I sort of think this belongs either in proxy autoconfig, or in your config management solution. We use content templates in puppet for this. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 08/01/2017 10:03 AM, Kasper, Ryan V wrote: All, I keep a static file and edit it after CM12 has

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] CCK2 and setting cache size for existing and new profiles

2017-07-13 Thread James M. Pulver
Anyone had the cache size actually work right with this pref setting? James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 07/05/2017 01:50 PM, James M. Pulver wrote: It was suggested to me to set lockPref("browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled", false); That does check th

[Mozilla Enterprise] Set Firefox as default browser

2017-07-06 Thread James M. Pulver
I'm trying to execute "C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\uninstall\helper.exe" /SetAsDefaultAppGlobal on Windows 7 x64 SP1 Enterprise. I'm wondering what the return codes mean - when I do it (using puppet-agent) I'm getting a return code 2. I can't seem to find what the return codes shou

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] CCK2 and setting cache size for existing and new profiles

2017-07-05 Thread James M. Pulver
E Computer Group Cornell University On 07/05/2017 10:42 AM, James M. Pulver wrote: So I'm trying to manage the cache size for my users. Adding a preference of browser.cache.disk.capacity set to 24576 I would have thought would set the cache to ~24MB. However, when looking in the GUI it s

[Mozilla Enterprise] CCK2 and setting cache size for existing and new profiles

2017-07-05 Thread James M. Pulver
So I'm trying to manage the cache size for my users. Adding a preference of browser.cache.disk.capacity set to 24576 I would have thought would set the cache to ~24MB. However, when looking in the GUI it shows 1024MB and "override automatic cache management" isn't checked. Do I need additional

[Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox ESR 52.1.0 - Adobe Flash Outdated on Enterprise Linux 7?

2017-05-17 Thread James M. Pulver
I'm getting This Plugin is vulnerable and should be updated on all flash content, but http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/about/ shows You have version 25,0,0,171 installed and says that is the latest version below . . . WTH? -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] whitelist for "unsecure connection" password prompt

2017-05-11 Thread James M. Pulver
So does this mean I could, for instance, get a certificate for *.classe.cornell.edu and install it in all the IMMs etc, and be "good" rather than getting one per IMM hostname? Thanks, James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 05/09/2017 09:42 PM, James Andrewartha wrote: Hi De

[Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox ESR 52.1.0 and Office 365 OWA

2017-04-28 Thread James M. Pulver
One of my testers of new releases is comparing ESR 52.1.0 to 45.x, and noticed the following: Firefox v52.1.0 32bit ESR crashed just now while I was accessing OWA to read mail under Win7 Pro at home. I'd just started a new Firefox session and had read a few messages. The crash happened when I

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] ThinApp Support for Firefox

2017-04-03 Thread James M. Pulver
I don't use ThinApp, but given that you can install Firefox inside a users profile, and that there are portable examples, I would have to figure one of those would work fine inside a ThinApp package, though I also would think those obviate the need for a ThinApp package like that. James Pulver

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox - Config Files vs. GPO

2016-10-19 Thread James M. Pulver
It is true, the only ADMX templates are from either PolicyPak (a commercial tool) or Frontmotion (a repackaging of Firefox). Your best bet is usually the CCK2... James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 10/19/2016 01:19 PM, Kim, James wrote: Mailing in for the first time…(sent

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] OT: Duplicate messages from list

2016-09-16 Thread James M. Pulver
I use Thunderbird and IMAP, but to Office365 which is exchange, and haven't see duplicates. I cannot see any logs though, but I assume it is de-duplicating also. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 09/16/2016 09:02 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 9/16/2016 8:41 AM, WIDELL-SC, Mat

[Mozilla Enterprise] Have Firefox go to local short name DNS entry before search?

2016-07-27 Thread James M. Pulver
So, I have a lot of local DNS hosts I manage, often via a web browser. Firefox always takes a non FQDN and does a search, while popping up a small button "Did you mean to go to ShortName?" I always want to go to shortname. I'm a little lazy here, but is there a setting or extension that would l

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] FIREFOX / MOZILLA

2016-07-22 Thread James M. Pulver
Read the bottom of the e-mail(s). Follow the instructions. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 07/22/2016 02:12 PM, Fred Korker wrote: HOW DO UN-SUBSCRIBE FROM THIS? THANKS FRED KORKER fredkor...@gmail.com ___

[Mozilla Enterprise] Mozilla Firefox 45.2.0 ESR blocking latest flash on linux as outdated?

2016-07-01 Thread James M. Pulver
I'm on Scientific Linux 7, and have installed 11,2,202,626 per Adobe's own test page, but Firefox keeps blocking flash and telling me it's outdated and insecure. -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University ___ Enterprise mailing list Enter

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Tips for Disabling Welcome Messages

2016-06-16 Thread James M. Pulver
ot; button, but it only resets the counter back to 60 days again. -- Jason Jackson Computer Systems Technician North Vancouver School District -Original Message- From: Enterprise [mailto:enterprise-boun...@mozilla.org] On Behalf Of James M. Pu

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Tips for Disabling Welcome Messages

2016-06-16 Thread James M. Pulver
Is there a way for a user to say "Thank you but no thanks" on the reset prompt? I don't necessarily want to disable it, but it's real annoying there isn't a "Never prompt me again" option on it. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 06/14/2016 02:07 PM, Jason Jackson wrote:

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox ESR 45 - extension for all users

2016-06-07 Thread James M. Pulver
Did you check out the CCK2? That would be my first stop. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 06/07/2016 09:58 AM, Jens Berggren wrote: Hi, I hope I am in the right place here. In previous Version I could install an extension for example Noscript for all users in the way I

[Mozilla Enterprise] Steps to convert from Extension based CCK2 to AutoConfig based

2016-03-21 Thread James M. Pulver
So I understand to prepare for FF45ESR, I need to change from distribution/bundles + extension to AutoConfig based CCK2. I'm using puppet to distribute these, so the instructions to "unzip" the created zip file into the Firefox directory are a little less that I need. Previously, I'd take the e

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Legit Firefox MSI

2016-03-18 Thread James M. Pulver
I actually now use Puppet + Chocolatey, though for whatever reason Chocolatey doesn't seem to have the ESR last I checked, so I build it myself internally. It's very simple. I still just wrap the exe, I honestly don't see what would be better about an MSI for firefox. MSIs are far more prone to

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox 45ESR - what's changed?

2016-03-10 Thread James M. Pulver
wide.com> -Original Message- From: Enterprise [mailto:enterprise-boun...@mozilla.org <mailto:enterprise-boun...@mozilla.org>] On Behalf Of James M. Pulver Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:05 PM To: enterprise@mozilla.org <mailto:enterprise@mozilla.org

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox 38.7.0esr released

2016-03-08 Thread James M. Pulver
So it looks like a very important feature to me, the tab groups is for some reason being removed. There is an extension to replace them, which it claims that you could install before the upgrade so you don't bookmark all your tab groups. However, it says it's not available for FF38, so we can't

[Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox 45ESR - what's changed?

2016-03-08 Thread James M. Pulver
I clicked through to the release notes, but it's just about ESR 38.6.1 ... -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] No Advance Notice About 38.6.1?

2016-02-22 Thread James M. Pulver
Personally for security, tightly scoped, point releases I'm happy to just get a notice to this list that it has been released. I agree that with specific and limited security fixes that are exploited in the wild, getting a patch out has to the the highest priority. Very close to that is a notic

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Removal Of Fine-grained Cookie Control To Affect ESR ?

2016-02-08 Thread James M. Pulver
I believe the privacy / cookie controls might be best served by something like uMatrix? However, that is a lot more than just cookie controls. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 02/05/2016 11:04 PM, Nick Boyce wrote: On 5 February 2016 at 23:21, Mike Connor wrote: ESR

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Add-on Signing in ESR

2016-02-02 Thread James M. Pulver
I really thought that was the whole point of an enterprise list was to discuss the ESR, otherwise you would use the standard RR firefox user communities? James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 02/02/2016 01:29 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: So... you're saying that his discussion list

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Somehow a new profile was created

2016-02-01 Thread James M. Pulver
he first time, but maybe not.) I've used it daily since then and every week or so I get a notice... James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 02/01/2016 08:35 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2016-02-01 at 08:20, James M. Pulver wrote: 60 days seems far to aggressive to me. Do

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Somehow a new profile was created

2016-02-01 Thread James M. Pulver
60 days seems far to aggressive to me. Doesn't "resetting" your profile remove extensions and revert most settings, saving only bookmarks? I wouldn't want to do that ever 60 days (maybe this has changed though)... James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 02/01/2016 05:17 AM, Kl

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Somehow a new profile was created

2016-01-29 Thread James M. Pulver
I don't see that in about:config, is it only available in the prefs.js / CCK2? James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 01/29/2016 10:55 AM, martin.gustafs...@hm.com wrote: I use this to turn that off in our config. // Disable reset profile after 60 days of non-use prompting

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Somehow a new profile was created

2016-01-29 Thread James M. Pulver
Are you sure he didn't click "refresh firefox"? I keep getting that and want to stop it, but I'm not sure if I can. It would wipe out most settings and I think only keeps bookmarks. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On 01/29/2016 09:30 AM, Moody, John (jmoody) wrote: Hello

Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox ESR 38.4 - Java Plugin Problem

2015-12-10 Thread James M. Pulver
Yes, to follow up on this is that in (I will venture to say) most organizations, working and getting work done is going to always trump security. It does no good to have something secure if it doesn't actually do anything anyone needs. James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University On