>
> >
> > Hi Bob,
> >
> > Man that sound gross, YUCK! No, not the EOS 5 cinnamon chili over
> > spaghetti!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chip Louie
>
> It tasted worse than it sounds! I had to put the EOS-5 down to open the
> six pack of Bass Ale that it took to wash the taste out! ;-)
>
> Bob
> As to Delta International I've seen their prices and B&H is
> cheaper in all
> respects IMO.
Delta's prices are sometimes quite cheaper. That's why I bought from them.
Even without the $50 rebate, they were still $60 cheaper. Sice they have
good reputation (check out photo.net), I wasn't worri
Chip Louie wrote:
> > Then one day I went to Cincinnati, Oh with my EOS-5. I had head
> > about Cincinnati
> > chili and when I tried it, well to say I was disappointed is an
> > understatement.
> > They add cinnamon to it and serve it over spaghetti! I grabbed
> > the EOS-5 and got
> > out of
<>
> >
> > I bought a grey EF 300 f/4L USM from B&H and it was just like
> any Canon lens.
> > No damage, no dust, just a Canon L lens.
> >
> > Bob
>
> I, too, have bought two or three gray market lenses from B&H. I
> could not tell
> any difference between the gray lenses and the USA lenses.
>
> pro
>
>
> Chip, yours was a really long mail! If you mean that current
> consumer lenses
> are better then former pro manual focus I can say clearly the're
> not. And I
> am not speakink in theory. I use manual focus
> 15,20,24,28,35,50,85,105,135,200,400 mm and, definitely they beat all
-Original Message-
From: Ray Amos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I, too, have bought two or three gray market lenses from B&H. I could not
tell
>any difference between the gray lenses and the USA lenses..
I think that's because, as Henry P pointed out on the List, and also in an
excellent ar
Bob Sull wrote:
> Michael Fontana wrote:
>
> > I had never bought a grey market lens before, until I decided to give Delta
> > International a try with a 135mm f/2. I received my lens promptly, but the
> > filter threads were defective - very defective. I went ahead and exchanged
> > the lens.
>
> Whatever!!! How come only Canon and Nikon can build good lenses? It just
> does not make sense!
>
> Please don't forget Carl Zeiss!
>
> Jack Casner
>
Hey Jack,
I didn't, Carl's just not in context as he doesn't make EOS mount lenses as
far as I know. 8^)
Regards,
Chip Louie
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on 30/11/01 8:13 pm, Chip Louie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't
> see ANY OTHER camera and lens system makers offering a complete line of
> ultrasonic and IS lenses, not even Nikon. This take balls, vision and
> leadership that the other 35mm makers don't currently have or at least are
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Chip Louie WROTE:
>
> Excellent answer. I would add that better lenses including large UD
> elements from the initial design stages can take better
> advantage of the
> high refractive index material to make more compact, lower
> aberration lenses
> than designs that simply replace and adjust
>
> At 01:07 AM 11/30/2001, you wrote:
> >How come only Canon and Nikon can build good lenses? It just
> >does not make sense
>
> Any lens manufacturer can make excellent lenses, just like any
> car company
> could produce BMWs. I suspect with the right ingredients a decent chef
> could actually
>
>
> Skip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I have the Sigma 15mm fisheye and the 17-35 f2.8-4 EX HSM, and
> while they are as
> > optically good as on could expect for distortion prone types,
> the 17-35 focuses
> > pretty slowly. I have no experience with other Sigmas, but if
> this one is a
>
>
> on 30/11/01 8:13 pm, Chip Louie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I don't
> > see ANY OTHER camera and lens system makers offering a complete line of
> > ultrasonic and IS lenses, not even Nikon. This take balls, vision and
> > leadership that the other 35mm makers don't currently hav
>
>
> Skip wrote:
> >
> > I have the Sigma 15mm fisheye and the 17-35 f2.8-4 EX HSM, and
> while they are as
> > optically good as on could expect for distortion prone types,
> the 17-35 focuses
> > pretty slowly. I have no experience with other Sigmas, but if
> this one is a
> > "High Spe
>
> John M. Lovda wrote:
>
> > This is a very basic question I have
> > never gotten a good technical answer for.
> >
> > What makes UD glass so special or expensive?
> > Other L lens attributes such as aspherical or
> > flourite lenses are intuitively obvious since
> > the grinding, molding, dep
>
> Thomas Bantel wrote:
>
> > Chip Louie wrote:
> > >
> > > At the risk of tweaking some people, IMO third party lenses
> are simply not
> > > as good overall and to offset this they must offer lower
> prices to create a
> > > place in the market.
> >
> > I'm not sure this is the whole truth. I
> on 11/29/01 8:36 PM, John M. Lovda ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> > What makes UD glass so special or expensive? Other L lens
> attributes such as
> > aspherical or flourite lenses are intuitively obvious since the
> grinding,
> > molding, deposition or crystal growing techniques are more t
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Who ever heard of pizza made with cheddar cheese and where else
> do they cut
> > it into square pieces so the ones in the middle have no crust
> to hold on to?
> >
> > <>
> >
> > hp
>
> Well, there is what once was a family owned pizza chain called
> Donato's t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Who ever heard of pizza made with cheddar cheese and where else do they cut
> it into square pieces so the ones in the middle have no crust to hold on to?
>
> <>
>
> hp
Well, there is what once was a family owned pizza chain called Donato's that cuts
pizza in squares.
Michael Fontana wrote:
> I had never bought a grey market lens before, until I decided to give Delta
> International a try with a 135mm f/2. I received my lens promptly, but the
> filter threads were defective - very defective. I went ahead and exchanged
> the lens. The second lens arrived pro
Michael Fontana wrote:
> I don't see that it could have been shipping damage. The
> packages were in
> very nice shape, and the problems were with the details. It really
> bothered me that the second lens was so dirty. Used lenses look
> cleaner. The first lens could have been bad luck,
I had the strangest thing happen the other day with my spare BM-E2 (battery magazine
for the PB-E2).
I have one EOS 3 w/PB-E2 and two BM-E2's. I was shooting the other day when the
batteries went dead. I pulled out a new and never used spare BM-E2 loaded with a set
of lithium AA's and got no
I don't see that it could have been shipping damage. The packages were in
very nice shape, and the problems were with the details. It really
bothered me that the second lens was so dirty. Used lenses look
cleaner. The first lens could have been bad luck, definitely. The second
lens was in
>
> > At the risk of tweaking some people, IMO third party lenses
> > are simply not
> > as good overall and to offset this they must offer lower
> > prices to create a
>
> Whatever!!! How come only Canon and Nikon can build good lenses? It just
> does not make sense!
>
> > place in the market.
> scheme that says "nothing says amateur like a third party lens."
> Mind you, I am not saying you or anyone else does buy into this,
> just my two cents.
GOod write Peter!
Actually nothing says amateur like an uninformed purchase. You should buy
what satisfies your requirements and fits
> > Chip Louie wrote:
> > At the risk of tweaking some people, IMO third party lenses
> > are simply not as good overall and to offset this they must
> > offer lower prices to create a place in the market.
>
> -
>
> Hi Chip,
>
> Sometime
I think you are having bad luck - I purchased from Delta many times and
received good material from them. Give them a call and explain the
situation. Are you sure this was not due to shipping? Sorry to ehar about
the problem.
Evrim
> -Original Message-
From: Michael Fontana [mailto:[
I had never bought a grey market lens before, until I decided to give Delta
International a try with a 135mm f/2. I received my lens promptly, but the
filter threads were defective - very defective. I went ahead and exchanged
the lens. The second lens arrived promptly. This time, the thread
> Chip Louie wrote:
> At the risk of tweaking some people, IMO third party lenses
> are simply not as good overall and to offset this they must
> offer lower prices to create a place in the market.
-
Hi Chip,
Sometimes it's true, som
on 30/11/01 1:05 pm, Jack Casner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Whatever!!! How come only Canon and Nikon can build good lenses? It just
> does not make sense!
>
> Please don't forget Carl Zeiss!
>
> Jack Casner
Or Leica! :o)
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>
> >From: Bob Sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >Chip Louie wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Wed & Thur, December 5 & 6, 2001
> > > >
> > > > Seminars
> > > > 10:30 - 12:30 both days
> > > > Digital Photography with the new EOS 1D
> > > > 2:00 - 4:00 both days
> > > > EOS 1D imaging and PhotoSho
>
> Chip Louie wrote:
> >
> > At the risk of tweaking some people, IMO third party lenses are
> simply not
> > as good overall and to offset this they must offer lower prices
> to create a
> > place in the market.
>
> I'm not sure this is the whole truth. I suspect it's just the other way
> round
Thanks Vicente! I thjink I missed his point originally,
Evrim
> small lenses. I suppose the same applies to UD and flourite.
>
> Best regards
>
> Vicente
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John M. Lovda wrote:
> This is a very basic question I have
> never gotten a good technical answer for.
>
> What makes UD glass so special or expensive?
> Other L lens attributes such as aspherical or
> flourite lenses are intuitively obvious since
> the grinding, molding, deposition or
>
- Original Message -
From: "Gerard Maas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: EOS Archives! Archives! Did I miss 'em?
>
> Well, I can enjoy of the great knowledge of more than 18000 EOS messages
> directly from my (huge) mail
I'm no expert on optics, but I would guess that, like Vicente says here,
the more refraction an element causes, the more chromatic distortion
would be created by that lens and using UD glass in that element would
reduce the overall chromatic distortion of the lens to a great degreee.
Whether or n
> -Original Message-
> From: Neil K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:41 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: EOS Anybody in the Vancouver, BC area...
>
>
> At 7:05 PM -0800 11/29/01, Glen wrote:
> >...know anything about the camera show and swap
> >me
>I was waiting to see what the answer to the "what is the address for the
>list archives" query would be; however, I seem to have missed that info. I
>asked this once about a year ago and never got an answer either. Is there
>actually an archive? Is it that big a secret? I'd think it would be
Well, I can enjoy of the great knowledge of more than 18000 EOS messages
directly from my (huge) mailbox ;-)
Do you need something?
Greetings,
Gerard.
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From: "Devon Derksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:06 AM
Subject: EOS Archives! Archives! Did I miss 'em?
> I was waiting to see what the answer to the "what is the address for the
> list archives" query would be; how
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> If the sushi in KC is anything like the pizza in St. Louis (where I went
to
> college), fuggedaboudit! :-)
> Who ever heard of pizza made with cheddar cheese and where else do they
cut
> it into square pieces so the ones in the middle have
I was waiting to see what the answer to the "what is the address for the
list archives" query would be; however, I seem to have missed that info. I
asked this once about a year ago and never got an answer either. Is there
actually an archive? Is it that big a secret? I'd think it would be good
Skip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have the Sigma 15mm fisheye and the 17-35 f2.8-4 EX HSM, and while they are as
> optically good as on could expect for distortion prone types, the 17-35 focuses
> pretty slowly. I have no experience with other Sigmas, but if this one is a
> "High Speed Motor,"
>From: "Devon Derksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>I was waiting to see what the answer to the "what is the address for the
>list archives" query would be; however, I seem to have missed that info. I
>asked this once about a year ago and never got an answer either. Is there
>actually an archive?
Tr
Anybody in KC who adds cheddar cheese to their pizza should be cowhided!
Next thing you know, they'll cut the pizza into little squares!
KC is a barbeque town!
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:59 AM
Subject: EOS Re:
Skip wrote:
>
> I have the Sigma 15mm fisheye and the 17-35 f2.8-4 EX HSM, and while they are as
> optically good as on could expect for distortion prone types, the 17-35 focuses
> pretty slowly. I have no experience with other Sigmas, but if this one is a
> "High Speed Motor," then the others m
At 01:07 AM 11/30/2001, you wrote:
>How come only Canon and Nikon can build good lenses? It just
>does not make sense
Any lens manufacturer can make excellent lenses, just like any car company
could produce BMWs. I suspect with the right ingredients a decent chef
could actually produce edible f
At 06:06 PM 11/29/2001, you wrote:
>All Right! OK! Enough of this argument. The only answer is to compromise.
>Half way between LA and New York is Kansas City.
If the sushi in KC is anything like the pizza in St. Louis (where I went to
college), fuggedaboudit! :-)
Who ever heard of pizza made
Hi Robert
I just got the same scanner but did not find any problem is tone
reprodutions.
Are you using 16M colours on your video card?
It may a problem of palette conversion. Try to check your profiles (on
photoshop and on the video card drivers).
Giampi
Italy
> Hello, All:
>
> I've just start
>> > Just curious - since all the light goes thru both the large lens and
>> also
>> > the smaller lens, does it matter which one is UD as long as
>> one of them
>> is?
>> > Somebody who has better optics than I do?
>>
>> It does make a difference much like driving instructions - it
>> m
Whatever!!! How come only Canon and Nikon can build good lenses? It just
does not make sense!
Please don't forget Carl Zeiss!
Jack Casner
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Thomas Bantel wrote:
> Chip Louie wrote:
> >
> > At the risk of tweaking some people, IMO third party lenses are simply not
> > as good overall and to offset this they must offer lower prices to create a
> > place in the market.
>
> I'm not sure this is the whole truth. I suspect it's just the ot
on 30/11/01 10:36 am, Bob Turner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> As Hugo Gävert suggested I found the link at WJM's site and is
> http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/eos_age.htm
>
I had a look at this. It appears to be identical (but without the pictures!)
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At 7:05 PM -0800 11/29/01, Glen wrote:
>...know anything about the camera show and swap
>meet this Sunday.
Wasn't it supposed to be on November 25?
- Neil K.
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>From Tim Franklin
>
> Yes Bob, the serial no. (7 numbers and a letter) is there on my macro. Its
> the 2 letters and 4 numbers manufacturing info that appears on the 300mm
on
> the rear of the lens. The serial no. is at the rear on the underside (6
> numbers only).
>
Hi Tim,
Yep, you are correc
Gerard Maas wrote:
> Yes, you can achieve nice multiflash- setup alike shots by combining
multiple
> exposures with flash. One way to achieve balanced lighting is to modify
the ISO
[great explanation snipped for brevity]
> That's the idea. Now play with it to achieve what you have in mind.
>
M
Chip Louie wrote:
>
> At the risk of tweaking some people, IMO third party lenses are simply not
> as good overall and to offset this they must offer lower prices to create a
> place in the market.
I'm not sure this is the whole truth. I suspect it's just the other way
round: They must offer (si
- Original Message -
From: "Bob Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 7:21 PM
> There is a 'better' link with more information on WJM's website, I can't
> remember it so it's over to you Willem.
You know this link that is in the end of each message:
http://www.a1
I was asking a serious question - in terms of distortions, the same amount
of light is passing thru glass, if my understanding is correct. Does the
cross sectional area make a difference?
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, November
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