Re: [ERPS] optical encounter missions

2002-08-03 Thread Henry Spencer
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Randall Clague wrote: > You missed the discussion last night. Assume the mission is a flyby > of the rock coming through on the 18th, and the trajectory from > hereabouts is nearly straight up: the rock is going to pass near Vega, > which is almost overhead in the evening this

Re: [ERPS] optical encounter missions

2002-08-03 Thread Randall Clague
On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 15:24:11 -0700, Pierce Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was speaking specifically about the asteroid flyby mission under >discussion. That's at least a 13 km/s delta-V, which will require at least >two stages with current tech and a realistic budget. One of my

Re: [ERPS] optical encounter missions

2002-08-01 Thread Henry Spencer
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > << If you're talking about a flyby as the asteroid passes -- so the probe > just needs to be in the right near-Earth place at the right time -- then a > reasonable rule of thumb is to take an orbital delta-V and add 3km/s. > > Ditto for close ones.

Re: [ERPS] optical encounter missions

2002-08-01 Thread GDNordley
<< If you're talking about a flyby as the asteroid passes -- so the probe just needs to be in the right near-Earth place at the right time -- then a reasonable rule of thumb is to take an orbital delta-V and add 3km/s. Henry Spencer >> D

Re: [ERPS] optical encounter missions

2002-08-01 Thread David Weinshenker
Pierce Nichols wrote: > > At 12:10 PM 8/1/02 -0700, Randall Clague wrote: > >On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:02:21 -0700, Pierce Nichols > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > It's not really possible to say a priori whether the staging event > > >should be orbital or suborbital. That's a determi

Re: [ERPS] optical encounter missions

2002-08-01 Thread Pierce Nichols
At 12:10 PM 8/1/02 -0700, Randall Clague wrote: >On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:02:21 -0700, Pierce Nichols ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > It's not really possible to say a priori whether the staging event > >should be orbital or suborbital. That's a determination that must be made > >as part o

Re: [ERPS] optical encounter missions

2002-08-01 Thread Henry Spencer
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Pierce Nichols wrote: > >Better yet, a reusable *orbital* booster with a single-use upper stage. > >(To quote Max Hunter: "I like staging, but I want to do it in orbit.") > > It's not really possible to say a priori whether the staging event > should be orbital or s

Re: [ERPS] optical encounter missions

2002-08-01 Thread Henry Spencer
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, David Weinshenker wrote: > > reasonable rule of thumb is to take an orbital delta-V and add 3km/s. > > Hmmm... so total of just under 13 km/s (assuming that it takes almost 10 > to get to orbit)... I remain agnostic on the question of whether it's > practical to build a useful

Re: [ERPS] optical encounter missions

2002-08-01 Thread Randall Clague
On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:02:21 -0700, Pierce Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's not really possible to say a priori whether the staging event >should be orbital or suborbital. That's a determination that must be made >as part of the trajectory optimization, and it depends heavily o

Re: [ERPS] optical encounter missions

2002-08-01 Thread Pierce Nichols
At 01:17 PM 8/1/02 -0400, Henry Spencer wrote: >On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, David Weinshenker wrote: > > for a "hybrid" reusable/expendable profile... if you're not doing > > a sample return, but just trying to radio back some high-resolution > > images of the item against the star field, then it might be

Re: [ERPS] optical encounter missions

2002-08-01 Thread David Weinshenker
Henry Spencer wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, David Weinshenker wrote: > > for a "hybrid" reusable/expendable profile... if you're not doing > > a sample return, but just trying to radio back some high-resolution > > images of the item against the star field, then it might be reasonable > > to use

Re: [ERPS] optical encounter missions

2002-08-01 Thread Henry Spencer
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, David Weinshenker wrote: > for a "hybrid" reusable/expendable profile... if you're not doing > a sample return, but just trying to radio back some high-resolution > images of the item against the star field, then it might be reasonable > to use a reusable suborbital booster wit

[ERPS] optical encounter missions

2002-08-01 Thread David Weinshenker
So the notion of an asteroid encounter mission has been raised... it occurs to me that in such a situation, a case could be made for a "hybrid" reusable/expendable profile... if you're not doing a sample return, but just trying to radio back some high-resolution images of the item against the star