[EUG-LUG:1159] Re: environment variables, init and what's reallyhappening

2001-05-21 Thread Bob Miller
larry a price wrote: > On Mon, 21 May 2001, Bob Miller wrote: > > > > Now, login is a setuid program, and it runs in a process just like > > everything else (except the kernel). So login builds a complete new > > environment for your login shell. So if you set something in a > > startup scrip

[EUG-LUG:1158] Re: environment variables, init and what's really happening

2001-05-21 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 10:00:05PM -0700, larry a price wrote: > On Mon, 21 May 2001, Jacob Meuser wrote: > > A simple test ... well, not really, but it can give some idea of how export > > works. > > > > $ export THIS=test1 && echo 'export MY_VAR=test2\necho ${MY_VAR}' > ${THIS} \ > > && sh ${TH

[EUG-LUG:1157] Re: environment variables, init and what's really happening

2001-05-21 Thread Patrick R. Wade
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 10:15:29PM -0700, larry a price wrote: >On Mon, 21 May 2001, Bob Miller wrote: >> >> More accurately, it sets the variable for that process and for all >> future descendants of that process. If you export a variable >> from a script, it only affects that script, not the l

[EUG-LUG:1156] Re: environment variables, init and what's reallyhappening

2001-05-21 Thread larry a price
On Mon, 21 May 2001, Bob Miller wrote: > Now, login is a setuid program, and it runs in a process just like > everything else (except the kernel). So login builds a complete new > environment for your login shell. So if you set something in a > startup script, that something won't be inherited

[EUG-LUG:1155] Re: environment variables, init and what's reallyhappening

2001-05-21 Thread larry a price
On Mon, 21 May 2001, Jacob Meuser wrote: > A simple test ... well, not really, but it can give some idea of how export > works. > > $ export THIS=test1 && echo 'export MY_VAR=test2\necho ${MY_VAR}' > ${THIS} \ > && sh ${THIS} && echo ${MY_VAR} && echo ${THIS} > ok i just tried this test and i get

[EUG-LUG:1154] Re: Slackware El-Torito

2001-05-21 Thread Franklin Hays
send me your address and I will send a CD to you. makes life _much_ easier! can put the CD in the mail tomorrow, should have it Wednesday. Unless you _want_ to work with the folder sets in which case I would do an NFS install. I have never tried to make them into a bootable CD. /frank On Mo

[EUG-LUG:1153] Re: Slackware El-Torito

2001-05-21 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 10:23:42PM -0700, Franklin Hays wrote: > > why not just download the iso and press that onto a CD which would be > bootable? > pccom3 at isapnp0 "5634BTS 56K Video Ready Modem, ACH2012, , " port 0x3e8/8 irq 5: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo Smaller chunks work better. The pho

[EUG-LUG:1152] Re: Slackware El-Torito

2001-05-21 Thread Franklin Hays
why not just download the iso and press that onto a CD which would be bootable? located at ftp.slackware.com in the /pub/mirrors/slackware/slackware-7.1/iso for slackware-current. /frank On Mon, 21 May 2001, Jacob Meuser wrote: |Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:18:40 -0700 |From: Jacob Meuser <[EM

[EUG-LUG:1151] Slackware El-Torito

2001-05-21 Thread Jacob Meuser
Anyone ever make a Slackware install CD? Does this work (I kinda doubt it, but maybe), or is there a better way: $ cat bootdsks.144/net.i rootdsks/color.gz rootdsks/pcmcia.dsk > boot.i $ mkisofs -b boot.i -c boot.cat -l -L -o ../slack.iso . The cwd has dirs like a1, ap1, d1, n1, x1, xap1 ... <

[EUG-LUG:1150] Re: Sound Blaster cards

2001-05-21 Thread Jamie
I dont remember any such post to the list. Most soundcards work under linux. There are several Sound drivers available for many cards (professional and free). I think Ive gotten all my sound cards (atleast a dozen) work with linux if properly configured. I have a couple sb16(and many generic),

[EUG-LUG:1149] RE: Sound Blaster cards

2001-05-21 Thread Ron LeVine
I have used the PCI128 Live and the PCI512 live with great success. If you need one of these, let me know. I can get a great price on them. Ron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of jfk321 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 7:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTE

[EUG-LUG:1148] Sound Blaster cards

2001-05-21 Thread jfk321
I am in need of a new sound card. Iremember a few weeks ago it was decided by the list that Sound Blaster cards is the way to go for linux because of driver development. I am looking at three 1) Sound Blaster 16 ( an ISA card) 2) Sound Blaster PCI16 (PCI card) 3) Sound Blaster PCI 512 ( PCI card)

[EUG-LUG:1147] Re: Hopefully not adding to the fire but...

2001-05-21 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 12:12:33PM -0700, Patrick R. Wade wrote: > Coming from a Linux background, i find the naming scheme > needlessly baroque, but there it is. OpenBSD: /dev/wd0a /dev/wd0b ... Linux: /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 ... I don't see a whole lotta difference there, except that you can al

[EUG-LUG:1146] File Servers

2001-05-21 Thread Garl R. Grigsby
Maybe a little off topic, but I know that there is a fairly large group of knowledge here. Does anybody have any experience with NetApp boxes? My corporate MIS group is trying to convience me to dump one of my Sun servers for a NetApp server. I know that they are supposed to be great in that they

[EUG-LUG:1145] Re: Hopefully not adding to the fire but...

2001-05-21 Thread Garl R. Grigsby
Tell me about it. All of my NFS servers are Solaris and have Gigantic raid arrays on them. If something bad happens, they take forever to fsck. On the other hand they are MUCH faster than Win2Choke servers.. Bob Miller wrote: > Jacob Meuser wrote: > > > Softupdate is now /recommended/ in O

[EUG-LUG:1144] Re: Hopefully not adding to the fire but...

2001-05-21 Thread Bob Miller
Jacob Meuser wrote: > Softupdate is now /recommended/ in OpenBSD. According to > http://www.openbsd.org/29.html, "some tests show a 60x improvement in > filesystem speed". Woo-hoo! Now if only Solaris would get faster. (-: -- Bob Miller K kbobsoft software cons

[EUG-LUG:1143] Re: Hopefully not adding to the fire but...

2001-05-21 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 12:26:25PM -0700, Bob Miller wrote: > > Compared to ext2, UFS is dog slow, but better at recovering from power > failures and other crashes. (Ext2 takes more chances on metadata > updates. Saves time, but might not recover.) It is not journaled, so > you still have to r

[EUG-LUG:1142] Re: environment variables, init and what's really happening

2001-05-21 Thread Bob Miller
larry a price wrote: > what really happens with environment variables, and how are they visible? Oh, boy. This is a fun one to try to explain coherently. (-: Every process is started by a parent process. If you're using the command line, the parent-child relationship is easy to understand -- t

[EUG-LUG:1141] Re: environment variables, init and what's really happening

2001-05-21 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 12:42:39PM -0700, larry a price wrote: > > so if those statements are in a script executed by root at startup that > variable should be set for all user sessions, right? > A simple test ... well, not really, but it can give some idea of how export works. $ export THIS=te

[EUG-LUG:1140] favicon, I now have 3...

2001-05-21 Thread Jamie
So... I have 3 different ones, but im still not really happy with any of them... you can check them out at: http://rocksolidnetworks.com/ico/ Jamie

[EUG-LUG:1139] Re: environment variables, init and what's really happening

2001-05-21 Thread Garl R. Grigsby
Larry, As I understand this process, you are a little off. When you export a variable it is available for that shell and for all sub-shells. This does not mean that all of root's env varbs will be available in everybody's shell. What this means is that if I launch a shell and type the followin

[EUG-LUG:1138] Re: environment variables, init and what's really happening

2001-05-21 Thread Patrick R. Wade
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 12:42:39PM -0700, larry a price wrote: > >also what does the > >. /etc/path/to/script > >idiom do, it doesn't seem to be documented in the place i expect it to be >but i see it used in a number of scripts in /etc/postgresql > >can someone point me to a clear and lucid expl

[EUG-LUG:1137] environment variables, init and what's really happening

2001-05-21 Thread larry a price
hi all, i've got a question for the gurus, what really happens with environment variables, and how are they visible? when you say something like APP_LOG_DIR=/var/log/app/error.log export APP_LOG_DIR that sets the the environment variable for the rest of the current session and for all sessions

[EUG-LUG:1136] Re: Hopefully not adding to the fire but...

2001-05-21 Thread Bob Miller
Garl R. Grigsby wrote: > Now for my question. What file system does OpenBSD run? Do they have a > Journaling FS? Does OpenBSD require you to deal with Disk Labels Like > Solaris? Disk labels, yes. The filesystem is UFS, very similar to Solaris's UFS. Compared to ext2, UFS is dog slow, but bett

[EUG-LUG:1135] Re: Hopefully not adding to the fire but...

2001-05-21 Thread Patrick R. Wade
On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 10:56:39AM -0700, Garl R. Grigsby wrote: > >I have a one comment and one question. > > [snip] >A few steps to recovery > > 1.Boot into single user mode. For i386 arch type boot -s at the boot >prompt. It is debatable whether you want a system to allow paswordless single

[EUG-LUG:1134] Re: Hopefully not adding to the fire but...

2001-05-21 Thread Rob Hudson
You can do this on Linux and FreeBSD as well. The way to not let it happen is to not allow physical access to your box (a lockable case so the power switch isn't reachable w/o a key) and to change the default ctrl-alt-del behavior in /etc/inittab so that only root can reboot the system with an ac

[EUG-LUG:1133] Hopefully not adding to the fire but...

2001-05-21 Thread Garl R. Grigsby
I have a one comment and one question. First for my comment. I have been following this thread with interest and have always considered trying to install and run OpenBSD and FreeBSD. This latest "discussion" has prompted me to look into OpenBSD further. As I was pursuing their online FAQ I came a

[EUG-LUG:1132] Re: Dual monitors

2001-05-21 Thread Christopher Allen
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Rob Hudson wrote: > I'm using enlightenment, and with the virtual desktops set up, when I > move virtuals, both monitors move to the next desktop. It's pretty > cool and really useful. Even cooler is E17 which happens to be out in CVS as we speak. I got some feedback from a