Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-13 Thread Ben Barrett
also in-line... On 2/13/07, Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ben Barrett wrote: > But they are [coordinating with "big brother"], pandering to RIAA for > instance, all the while > doing nothing to support the "little guy"... whose resources are being > sucked by botnets. > Most major ISPs pander

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-13 Thread Ben Barrett
See in-line below... On 2/13/07, Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ben Barrett wrote: > Dare I say, their "negligence" is a "passive evil" ... > If I ran a major petroleum > business, I > know that various other organizations would be on my case about the > infrastructure > threats & liabili

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-13 Thread Alan
Ben Barrett wrote: But they are [coordinating with "big brother"], pandering to RIAA for instance, all the while doing nothing to support the "little guy"... whose resources are being sucked by botnets. Most major ISPs pander to the RIAA because the law says they must. I'm sure they'd much rath

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-13 Thread Alan
Ben Barrett wrote: Dare I say, their "negligence" is a "passive evil" ... If I ran a major petroleum business, I know that various other organizations would be on my case about the infrastructure threats & liabilities involved... shipping security, site safety, etc. IT is simply not mat

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-13 Thread Alan
Ben Barrett wrote: And why aren't google, microsoft, and major ISP's really cracking down on the botnet infrastructure?? They have all the tools and the power Because there is no money in it. Or more precisely, the expense and risks to undertake such a task outweigh any altruistic motives.

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-13 Thread Alan
Michael Miller wrote: I think the ISP providers don't do enough to stop there users from becoming problems. ISP's should be firewalling there users off from the rest of the world. If you need to ssh to telnet or what ever X service you should pay extra. Basic Internet service should be low co

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems

2007-02-13 Thread Alan
Ben Barrett wrote: Aquarium screensavers are a great example. Instead of having living pets to interact with and experience life lessons about partnership and care with, we "need" to burn extra watts to entertain those archaic fancies. My office has a strict "no pets" policy. I need to live vi

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-13 Thread Ben Barrett
Well stated situation, Bob. However, I was trying to propose something more akin to a backbone policing endeavor, which would ideally keep any major botnet infections from taking hold -- there will always be zero-day issues, of course, but by the time 10K machines are infected, it should be easy

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-13 Thread Bob Miller
Ben Barrett wrote: > And why aren't google, microsoft, and major ISP's really cracking down > on the botnet infrastructure?? They have all the tools and the power Let's see what happens. $ISP puts in place a system to identify pwnzored boxes. The first day, they identify 250,000 of them.

RE: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems

2007-02-13 Thread Jason LaPier
Man, you guys can rant with the best of em. ;) I'm out of town so I had to skim through most of this, but thought I would throw my small amount of own fuel on the fire: (a) Out of curiousity, I looked up Vista on Amazon: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate FULL VERSION [DVD] , $379.99 http://www.amazo

Re: [Eug-lug] Operating Systems.

2007-02-13 Thread Ben Barrett
WELL SAID, Larry :) I was feeling a bit to the right there for a while, re-reading what I wrote ;) in regards to net neutrality, that is... and kind of wanting a solution on the backbone. Net chiropractor, anyone? Does this compare well to the postal service (or ups/dhl/etc.)? My package conten