Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-04 Thread Bruce Moomaw
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts In a message dated 11/2/2002 6:29:38 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The last I heard, the t

Re: Power Source

2002-11-04 Thread Joe Latrell
For the terrestrial model, at 8 inches for 500 feet, my friend and I have calculated that we need 522,000 BTUs (give or take a few thousand) to melt through. The math used: 8" diameter craft (50.25 sq inches) 500' depth (6000 linear inches) total ice volume = (50.24*6000

Re: Power Source

2002-11-04 Thread Gary McMurtry
Title: Re: Power Source In a message dated 11/2/2002 4:59:49 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You could try non-rechargeable lithium.  They are the highest energy density batteries at the present time, which approach 3X over Pb-acid motorcycle batteries.  Other candidates are

Re: Power Source

2002-11-04 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 11/3/2002 8:18:34 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about a snowcone machine type of design?  Shave the ice and move the shavings from bottom to top.  It would take some power, but it could be done.  The nice thing is that the tools do not have to be that

Re: Power Source

2002-11-04 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 11/3/2002 6:58:15 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want this to happen you are going to have to do some *out-of-the-box* thinking.  For example *don't* use all of your energy to melt the ice! Leave the damn ice frozen.  Use something like a red hot nic

Re: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-04 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 11/2/2002 6:29:38 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The last I heard, the team designing the possible 2007 "CryoScout" Mars Scout mission to penetrate a hundred meters or so through Mars' north polar icecap were still undecided about whether its Cryobot would

Re: Power Source

2002-11-04 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 11/2/2002 4:59:49 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You could try non-rechargeable lithium.  They are the highest energy density batteries at the present time, which approach 3X over Pb-acid motorcycle batteries.  Other candidates are Ni-Cd (high energy discha

Re: Project Status

2002-11-04 Thread Gail Leatherwood
Add one more: I coined this a number of years ago out of my personal experience: "The Analyst's Motto: There is nothing so simple that it cannot be made complicated with a little effort." Watch the skies! Gail  ---Original Message---   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, November 0

Fw: Today On Galileo - November 4-5, 2002

2002-11-04 Thread LARRY KLAES
    - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 11:51 AM To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Today On Galileo - November 4-5, 2002  Today on GalileoMonday and Tuesday, November 4-5, 2002Encounter with AmaltheaEarly Monday morning begins our sprint into th

Re: Project Status

2002-11-04 Thread Joe Latrell
Well put. Here are the rules for life - as I have them: "You can't cross a chasm in two small jumps." - Eli Callaway "Nothing is impossible - just damned difficult." - Joe Latrell "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you will land among the stars." - Les Brown Lets say we build a ice mu

Project Status

2002-11-04 Thread Gail Leatherwood
In the beginning, John Byrne proposed a new project, called fancifully "A Wild Idea." And the idea was without form (well, almost) and void, and confusion covered the face of the group. In time, a few glimmers of light appeared in the firmament of the heavens, but most were quickly extinguish

RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-04 Thread Christlieb, Scott F.
Here's an idea. How about sending a message in a bottle? What if we just planted the probe in the ice as deep as possible. We could drop the probe into open cracks in the ice and then let it travel with the "current" of the ice. If we used this method we could track the movement o

RE: Guidance System for Icepick I, and Cryobot thoughts

2002-11-04 Thread Schmidt Mickey Civ 50 ES/CC
There are several sources of rocky material on Europa. I wouldn't hazard a guess as to how much there might be however. The freckle picture recently on the internet might show a way that material is re-circulated that is already in the ice. New material would be meteorites, dust, small and large

RE: Heat

2002-11-04 Thread Schmidt Mickey Civ 50 ES/CC
A news article in today's (Nov 4, 2002) Denver Post, Business Section relates to new products to help the Army. They are personal fuel cells, quite small, in fact. The 20 Watt fuel cell about the same size as a VHS tape cassette. The larger one, 50 watts is about the size of a child's lunch