RE: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-10 Thread Clements, Robert
ecember 09, 2000 4:50 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: On The Rise of Oxygen... > > A giant Europan jellyfish might be the prototype, then. Something large > enough to be able to absorb energy across a broad area (say, 1 km across). > > Freezing or ice s

RE: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-10 Thread Clements, Robert
December 10, 2000 9:13 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: On The Rise of Oxygen... > > Then why didn't Imperial Mammoth grow 100' tall, especially when in cold > climates such as an Ice Age, it would be a benefit? I suppose that steppe > > g

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-09 Thread JHByrne
<< (Bear in mind, too, that some of the brontotheres of the mid Cainozoic were pretty weight competitive with at least the smaller sauropods. No doubt the brontotheres were something less than wildly active; but this shows that sauropodian mammals - while probably less likely than their dinosa

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 12/8/2000 5:28:26 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << >This has a strange relevance to Europa, however. If life exists in the >Europan ocean, it's likely to be living in a low energy environment where >competition is unlikely to be widespread. Unlike most

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Robert Clements
Bruce Moomaw wrote: > > It should be pointed out, however, that multicellular organisms never > evolved on Earth at all until the evolution of photosynthesis provided them > with a much more efficient energy supply -- so it still seems overwhelmingly > likely that all Europan life will be single

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Robert Clements
Bruce Moomaw wrote: > > What in the world is a weta? Answered elsewhere; but a really big NZ bug. Can't kill you, though... the weta lives in NZ not Australia (Private joke) > More generally, in today's lower-oxygen environment, big bugs must be much > more sluggish, which puts them at

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Bruce Moomaw
-Original Message- From: Robert Clements <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, December 08, 2000 6:11 PM Subject: Re: On The Rise of Oxygen... >This has a strange relevance to Eur

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Robert Clements
Jayme Blaschke wrote: > > >>>What in the world is a weta? > > Director Peter Jackson's Wellington-based SFX company. :-) > > Jayme Lynn Blaschke No great surprise... Jacko's a Kiwi (New Zealander); with a taste for cinema almost as ugly as the weta itself. The weta is a very large arthropod

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Jayme Blaschke
>>>What in the world is a weta? Director Peter Jackson's Wellington-based SFX company. :-) Jayme Lynn Blaschke ___ *Cyclops in B Minor* by Jayme Lynn Blaschke now available from Mooncast Shadows http://www.exoticdeer.org/chapbook.html The Blaschke Home Realm http://www.vvm

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Jayme Blaschke
>the reverse of this syndrome; & showed what happen when large >critters got trapped on small islands. Wrangell Island with its dwarf mammoths is another good example of this. Jayme Lynn Blaschke ___ *Cyclops in B Minor* by Jayme Lynn Blaschke now available from Mooncast

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 12/8/2000 4:06:42 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Come on over to Jason Perry's "Jupiter List" and "ISSDG" discussion groups and you can see Clements and I tearing at each other and questioning each other's ancestry on a regular basis. It's wonderful

RE: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Evan James Dembskey
Thank you very much! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Bruce Moomaw > Sent: 08 December 2000 15:44 > To: Icepick Europa Mailing List > Subject: Re: On The Rise of Oxygen... > > > > > -O

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Bruce Moomaw
-Original Message- From: Evan James Dembskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, December 08, 2000 5:27 AM Subject: RE: On The Rise of Oxygen... >Bruce, > > >> Come on over to Jason Perry's "Jupiter List"

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Bruce Moomaw
-Original Message- From: Robert Clements <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, December 08, 2000 1:43 AM Subject: Re: On The Rise of Oxygen... > >Bruce Moomaw wrote: >> >&g

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Bruce Moomaw
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, December 08, 2000 2:49 AM Subject: Re: On The Rise of Oxygen... > >I gotta say, Robert, reading your posts brought grim glee to my day. We >

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread JHByrne
I gotta say, Robert, reading your posts brought grim glee to my day. We missed you, our giant gadfly! -- JHB == You are subscribed to the Europa Icepick mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project information and list (un)subscribe info: http://klx.com/europa/

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Robert Clements
Bruce Moomaw wrote: > > While I didn't know that the huge dragonflies held on into the early > Mesozoic, Clements' explanation has a big problem: why didn't the equally > huge crawling bugs of the Carboniferous Era hold on? They didn't have the > clumsy-flight disadvantage of those huge dragonf

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-08 Thread Bruce Moomaw
-Original Message- From: Robert Clements <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, December 07, 2000 11:54 PM Subject: Re: On The Rise of Oxygen... > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: &

Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-07 Thread Robert Clements
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > f) here's a somewhat unrelated question: what did Dinosaurs breath? > Could the air have been thicker then, perhaps with somewhat exotic chemistry > to it? How else to explain 2' dragonflies, and 80' brachiosaurs... 'heavier' > air might explain how a 2' drag

Re: [ISSDG] Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-05 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 12/5/2000 4:38:40 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The consensus now is that the Carboniferous and Pennsylvanian eras of the Paleozoic did indeed feature much higher atmospheric oxygen levels, and that this allowed insects to overcome the burden of the

[ISSDG] Re: On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-05 Thread Bruce Moomaw
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 1:14 AM Subject: On The Rise of Oxygen... >I have some questions regarding the oxygen boom referred to in the last posting... &

On The Rise of Oxygen...

2000-12-05 Thread JHByrne
I have some questions regarding the oxygen boom referred to in the last posting... 1) presuming that glaciation was involved, could the following help explain it? a) glaciation would seem to be a downward spiral; that is, a lot of ice chills the ocean currents, it chills the air, it dr