RE: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-22 Thread John Sheff
]]On Behalf Of James McEnanly Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Europa mission beneath the ice   Actually, it is a small fringe that tends to protest whenever NASA lanches a nuclear powered probe. I think they just enjoy carrying signs and shouting their

Re: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-22 Thread Gail Leatherwood
microwaves and nuclear radiation! Gail the Guy - Original Message - From: James McEnanly To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Europa mission beneath the ice Actually, it is a small fringe that tends to protest whenever NA

Re: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-22 Thread James McEnanly
essage - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 11:29 PM Subject: Re: Europa mission beneath the ice Bruce mentioned something about how NASA is having problems reassuring people of the safety of metal encased plutonium lumps... is it feasible to launch a rocket u

Re: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-22 Thread Bruce Moomaw
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: Re: Europa mission beneath the ice In a message dated 12/20/2001 4:56:59 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Salt IS considered a serious problem for

Re: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-22 Thread Bruce Moomaw
  - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 11:29 PM Subject: Re: Europa mission beneath the ice Bruce mentioned something about how NASA is having problems reassuring people of the safety of metal encased plutonium lumps

Re: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-21 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 12/20/2001 10:21:06 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bruce, John, et al., My point is IF the Cryobot is deployed on or subsequently encounters a layer or mass of salt (likely, with a probability of >0.3--my guess) that is large relative to the bot's size (

Re: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-21 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 12/20/2001 9:04:39 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bruce, et al., my original question was more about where Mr. Stellwagen has been all this time? Could we direct him to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] web site, which describes in detail just what he's going on about?

Re: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-21 Thread JHByrne
In a message dated 12/20/2001 4:56:59 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Salt IS considered a serious problem for a Europa Cryobot (which, by the way, HAS always been planned to use radioactive heat from a nose cylinder of plutonium-238 to melt through the ice -- there's no other

RE: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-21 Thread Dick
Just a quick question? We're (you're) not forgetting about the tidal forces are you? This came to mind while reading the last post about using fiber optics, and lasting a week. I may be off base, but it's just a thought. And, I'm also assuming that most of you (or all), do believe there

RE: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-21 Thread Reeve, Jack W.
Sent: Thursday 20 December 2001 18:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Europa mission beneath the ice Jack, Good point. My CRC handbook has anhydrous (?) magnesium sulfate melting at 1327 C.

Re: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-21 Thread Bruce Moomaw
- Original Message - From: RAFAEL A HERNANDEZ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Europa mission beneath the ice Not only that but my question is if their is life, and its anything like life on earth, heating the ice will signifcantly raise

RE: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-20 Thread AnthonieM
Hi Jack, If the cryobot sinks through the salt, how can it communicate with the outside world? The salt is a conductor, so it will absorb radiowaves. Will it communicate by sound (sonar), or by a simple cable to a station on the surface? I find it difficult to compare the cryobot with vehicle

RE: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-20 Thread Gary McMurtry
gt;as well, as Epsom salts' melt point is about 200-250 C I think. > >Jack > >-Original Message- >From: Gary McMurtry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Thursday 20 December 2001 13:10 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Europa mission beneath the ice > >

RE: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-20 Thread Reeve, Jack W.
ECTED]] Sent: Thursday 20 December 2001 13:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Europa mission beneath the ice Bruce, John, et al., My point is IF the Cryobot is deployed on or subsequently encounters a layer or mass of salt (likely, with a probability of >0.3--my guess) that is large rel

Re: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-20 Thread Gary McMurtry
Bruce, John, et al., My point is IF the Cryobot is deployed on or subsequently encounters a layer or mass of salt (likely, with a probability of >0.3--my guess) that is large relative to the bot's size (aspect ratio is large), then hot water jets will not do the job--insufficient ice to make water

Re: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-20 Thread Gail Leatherwood
scientific. Gail the Guy - Original Message - From: Bruce Moomaw To: Europa Icepick Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 6:06 AM Subject: Re: Europa mission beneath the ice   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Se

Re: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-20 Thread Bruce Moomaw
  - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:05 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Europa mission beneath the ice In a message dated 12/19/2001 10:29:17 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I am not mistaken to melt the

Re: Europa mission beneath the ice

2001-12-20 Thread Bruce Moomaw
  - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 12:02 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Europa mission beneath the ice In a message dated 12/19/2001 10:53:18 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW, those that have actually b