I am curious as to what a future subsurface probe will see. Will the Europan be blind, or will there be a bioluminescent Times Square to greet our probe?Sincerely
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I've seen similar documentaries. They tend to move into them.
H Frank Benford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As far as an octopus is concerned, I did see on one of the better cablechannels where an octopus was given a jar with food inside and theoctopus figured out how to unscrew the lid and get to th
. She whines and scratches until _I_ open the door...
;-)
Brian
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the Europans are smarter than Earthly birds and mice and rabbits.
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> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, H Frank Benford wrote:
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> > Cats don't have the physical capability of opening a jar(paw with
> > oposable thumb) whereas an Octopus does(tentacles). It took one time
> > showing my cat how to open a door and my house hasn't been safe since.
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if nothing else, a comparative reference on diversity in a planet's
early ecology.
Jack W. Reeve
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, H Frank Benford wrote:
> Cats don't have the physical capability of opening a jar(paw with
> oposable thumb) whereas an Octopus does(tentacles). It took one time
> showing my cat how to open a door and my house hasn't been safe since.
To put this back into context, what is
Keira
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We had a family cat that could
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> Cats don't have the physical capability of opening a jar(paw with
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Well that's better than most people can do!
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On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, H Frank Benford wrote:
> Cats don't have the physical capability of opening a jar(paw with
> oposable thumb) whereas an Octopus does(tentacles). It took one time
> showing my cat how to open a door and my house hasn't been safe since.
Typical example of the linear thinking
like that young octopus does! Thus my hope for some
> kind of "intelligent" life swimming in the seas of Europa!
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> Larry
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ay for sure.
So the moral is just because a cat can't open a jar don't
mean cats are jar heads.
WSM
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e that young octopus does! Thus my hope for some kind of "intelligent" life swimming in the seas of Europa! Larry - Original Message - From: wmarcus Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What about intelligent life on Europa?
Well that's better than most people can
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It wpuld probably on the order of an octopus, whi
Actually I see it as time over distance. There may in fact be many
'intelligent' worlds at amy given time in the universe, but due to
distances involved, they may never know each other exists.
Joe L.
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> It wpuld probably on the order of an o
It wpuld probably on the order of an octopus, which on Earth, are about as smart as cats. They communicate by changing body shape and color.
"adam ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Personally i think it is very possible for intelligent life forms to evolve naturally on Europa. Man is just finding ou
If there is life on Europa, there is intelligent life "out there." We
are hoping that environments like Europa will tell us more about what
life is, and, therefore, how common it is. Europa's oceans are not
unusual environments. Any rock-ice body with a diameter > ~1000 km can
have a nutrient-r
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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Reeve, Jack W. wrote:
> It is perhaps noteworthy that skepticism over highly developed life on
> Europa (or anywhe
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> There are not many sources of such utilizable entropy gradients on Europa.
> Direct photons are the least important of them, it's probably magnetic
> trap proton irradiation and chemothrophy harkening back to the original
> molecular nebula.
Put much mo
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Reeve, Jack W. wrote:
> It is perhaps noteworthy that skepticism over highly developed life on
> Europa (or anywhere else for that matter), though based in science and fact,
> is by definition extrapolation from a one unit data set, Earth.
This is not accurate. Life is a phy
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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, adam . wrote:
> Personally i think it is very possible for intelligent life forms to
evolve
> natura
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, LARRY KLAES wrote:
> If nothing else, I would just like to see what kind of beings could
> evolve on a world like Europa. If giant worlds with similar moons
Upper bound: there's nothing on the surface which doesn't look other than
natural. If there's life it lives from very
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, adam . wrote:
> Personally i think it is very possible for intelligent life forms to evolve
> naturally on Europa.
Adam, you need to make a better case than simply "thinking". I would say
a good place to start is in calculating free energy fluxes. On Earth
one has at leas
Good stuff.
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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, CHRIS CANTRELL wrote:
> Depending on how "int
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, CHRIS CANTRELL wrote:
> Depending on how "intelligent" you mean, civilization (as we know it)
> must eventually learn to produce rapid and intense energy e.g. fire in
> order to grow technologically.
Strongly agree -- "technology" is the issue and that would seem to
require
Personally i think it is very possible for intelligent life forms to evolve
naturally on Europa. Man is just finding out now that life can exist in the
strangest places. I think we will find out more and more about where life
can live. In the future i think we will find out that life can live
Depending on how "intelligent" you mean,
civilization (as we know it) must eventually learn to produce rapid and intense
energy e.g. fire in order to grow technologically. I would think you would need
plenty of combustible material around and an environment to burn it in. You'd
probably need
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