Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-04-03 Thread Bill Dube
The issue with the PFC charger was corrected shortly after I complained. (I complained bit too loudly and publicly in retrospect. I apologized then and I do again now.) You can now set the PFC charger to "latch" the end-of-charge timer and not reset. It is still a very good idea to set a maxim

Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-04-03 Thread Roland
02, 2014 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries? Thanks for your reassurance, David and Evan. I'll try charging them in a 24-battery string, and see what happens! > From: "EVDL Administrator" mailto:evp...@drmm.net>> > >

Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-04-03 Thread Evan Tuer
Hi David, I typed "pfc restart" into gmail and amazingly it came up with the post I was thinking of, from 2005. I hope Bill doesn't mind me reposting it. There was a very long discussion leading on from this too. [..] Rich will likely disagree, but there is a subtle, but very serious design fla

Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-04-03 Thread EVDL Administrator
On 2 Apr 2014 at 15:10, Evan Tuer wrote: > I have heard of one Saft pack being cooked. IIRC it was a Manzanita PFC > charger, something to do with it restarting as the voltage dropped, then > thermal runwaway at bulk charge current. The one case I know of involved an unregulated bad boy charger

Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-04-03 Thread EVDL Administrator
On 3 Apr 2014 at 0:19, David Chapman wrote: > Got any STM5-180s? Nope. And if I had any, I'd be using them. :-\ David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-04-03 Thread David Chapman
Got any STM5-180s? Or 200s? I could use 36-40. Good ones that is. Dach   "Do what you can, with what you have, where you are" - Theodore Roosevelt “We reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her eyes I was young then, and full of trigger-itch; I thought that b

Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-04-02 Thread Jan Steinman
Thanks for your reassurance, David and Evan. I'll try charging them in a 24-battery string, and see what happens! > From: "EVDL Administrator" > > On 31 Mar 2014 at 2:54, Jan Steinman wrote: > >> he person I got these batteries from fried individual batteries -- I >> mean internally melted! --

Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-04-02 Thread Evan Tuer
I doubt this too. I've never heard of these cells being damaged or overheating through *correct* charging, although I'm only familiar with the water-cooled variety. I have heard of one Saft pack being cooked. IIRC it was a Manzanita PFC charger, something to do with it restarting as the voltage

Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-04-02 Thread EVDL Administrator
On 31 Mar 2014 at 2:54, Jan Steinman wrote: > he person I got these batteries from fried individual batteries -- I > mean internally melted! -- by charging them to spec in a 144V string! I've heard of this happening from gross overcharging, but NEVER when they were "charged to spec" (in accorda

Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-03-31 Thread Willie2
On 03/31/2014 07:22 AM, damon henry wrote: Does anyone have experience with these chargers? 12 kW for ~$1,000 (kit) sounds darned good! I've had an early 10kw for 1.5-2 years. Bought it assembled. It blew up once and they fixed it about a year ago. No trouble since then but I don't use it da

Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-03-31 Thread damon henry
t; Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 02:54:13 -0700 > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries? > > Thanks for your detailed response, David. > > I do have the tech manual you referred to. I understand the single-battery > charging regime. >

Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-03-31 Thread Jan Steinman
Thanks for your detailed response, David. I do have the tech manual you referred to. I understand the single-battery charging regime. My concern is equalization. The person I got these batteries from fried individual batteries -- I mean internally melted! -- by charging them to spec in a 144V

Re: [EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-03-28 Thread EVDL Administrator
Hi Jay, and welcome to the EVDL. Here's the technical manual for Saft STM-180 batteries: http://www.evdl.org/docs/STM5-180tech.pdf Unlike some of Saft's other NiCds, I'm pretty sure these were designed for road-going electric vehicles. They were used in the Chrysler TEVans, if I'm not mistake

[EVDL] Charger for flooded cell NiCd batteries?

2014-03-28 Thread Jan Steinman
I have come upon a 26 kWh set of SAFT 4.180 flooded-cell NiCd batteries. These are industrial quality, and should last a long time, if properly cared for. But I know they are subject to damage if over-charged. All the BMSs I've seen are designed for lithium. I have the manual, but I'm worried ab