Re: [EVDL] OT: Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050

2015-10-18 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I'm in agreement with most of this. Energy storage *is* the key for the further and in dealing with renewables. The technology to use can vary, and depends on several factors, such as the scale of storage, and time needed for storage. In dealing excess renewables, batteries are probably the way

Re: [EVDL] OT: Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050

2015-10-18 Thread Michael Ross via EV
H2 as an energy storage medium and source of power for EVs to has theoretical merit if we ever have truly significant renewable power generation in the US. In this scenario the inefficiencies are of less consequence because on a very large scale storing H2 is quite cheap particularly in comparison

Re: [EVDL] OT: Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050

2015-10-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 16, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Roland wrote: > Install the hydrogen tank in a ICE vehicle using standard propane equipment > that I was already running the engine on. We're obviously veering sharply offtopic, now. Some years back I looked into doing pretty much that -- running H2 in, in this cas

Re: [EVDL] OT: Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050

2015-10-16 Thread Roland via EV
t: [EVDL] OT: Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050 Off-topic because EVs aren't what they're switching to. http://phys.org/news/2015-10-toyota-aims-gasoline-cars.html<http://phys.org/news/2015-10-toyota-aims-gasoline-cars.html> Between VW and now Toyota, the big a

Re: [EVDL] OT: Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050

2015-10-16 Thread dovepa via EV
Administrator , Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050 On Oct 16, 2015, at 8:35 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > Compared to EVs, they were noisy, stinky, and > unreliable.  The fuel was hard to get, and danger

Re: [EVDL] OT: Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050

2015-10-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
On Oct 16, 2015, at 8:35 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > Compared to EVs, they were noisy, stinky, and > unreliable. The fuel was hard to get, and dangerous to store. But there're a lot of big differences today. For one, the whole field of vehicles was brand-new -- as was the electric

Re: [EVDL] OT: Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050

2015-10-16 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 16 Oct 2015 at 7:53, Ben Goren via EV wrote: > Toyota's fool cells, of course, haven't a prayer. You might well have said the same thing about gasoline cars in the early years of the 20th century. Compared to EVs, they were noisy, stinky, and unreliable. The fuel was hard to get, and dange

[EVDL] OT: Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050

2015-10-16 Thread Ben Goren via EV
Off-topic because EVs aren't what they're switching to. http://phys.org/news/2015-10-toyota-aims-gasoline-cars.html Between VW and now Toyota, the big automakers are signaling that we're now officially at the end of the ICE era and that the transition to a post-ICE world has begun. Toyota's fo