I listen to: Now you know, E for electric, Electric Viking, Best in Tesla and
Sandy Munroe. All easily accessible on YouTube. Where do you get your
information? Or should I say attitude. EVs will be 50% of car sales by 2025.
70% by 2027. Our dreams are happening faster than anyone would have g
On 12/21/2022 10:00 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
Isn’t China where most of Tesla’s sales are? While US and Europe have some
importance, near term performance is all about China.
Well, China is about 24% of Tesla Revenue so far this year.
https://cnevpost.com/2022/10/24/tesla-24-of-q3-re
Isn’t China where most of Tesla’s sales are? While US and Europe have some
importance, near term performance is all about China.
- Mark
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> On Dec 21, 2022, at 7:41 AM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:
>
> On 12/21/2022 12:08 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
On 12/21/2022 12:08 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
That's why I think that despite strong (but declining) Tesla sales, Renault,
Stellantis, and VW will eventually clean Tesla's clock in Europe.? They
actually build EVs for normal people - and normal, middle-income Europoeans
are buying them.
That's why I think that despite strong (but declining) Tesla sales, Renault,
Stellantis, and VW will eventually clean Tesla's clock in Europe.? They
actually build EVs for normal people - and normal, middle-income Europoeans
are buying them.? And despite what all y'all may think, I'm still convinc
ts, no automatic controls, etc.
would have appealed in the same way ?
Peri
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-- Original Message --
From: "paul dove via EV"
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
Cc: "paul dove"
Really, how did you get so jaded? It is getting tiresome. Ask yourself how many
automobile startups have you seen in your life that were successful? Nissan,
Mitsubishi and others are established companies who are subsidized by their
governments. Tesla has been fighting and uphill battle. Everyon
Unrelated to EVs, EU and China are demographically and geographically
doomed. Especially China.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2022, 5:17 PM EV List Lackey via EV
wrote:
> On 19 Dec 2022 at 20:44, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>
> > If Elon hadn't started the EV mass production revolution, some one else
> > surel
The commercial success of iMIEV versus Tesla is demonstrative that Tesla's
was much better route to jump starting the paradigm. Why are you so
bothered that someone makes a lot of money? It takes people who can raise
and spend well to make the first world we all enjoy so much.
I do like the iMIEV,
> In a way, he acts like a dictator
Oh, interesting. At the risk of throwing this discussion off-topic
(hell, it's already bouncing off the guardrails as-is):
Whenever I hear the term "dictator" tossed around casually, I
encourage people to examine the origins of the term, and the several
i
On 12/19/2022 2:16 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:
Tesla's primary "innovation" was making an EV that appealed to rich
folks,
especially celebrity greens awash in excess cash. Those gadgets and
gimmicks were part of the appeal.
Actually, I think his main innovation was how to BUILD cars
ec
This entire thread is at once spot.on, and amusing.
I’m 57, so I remember GM crapping on the EV movement with their proprietary
Magnecharge system; lease-only EV-1, and lobbying against clean air mandates.
It disgusted me and I vowed never to buy GM.
Fast forward 30 years. I have a 20 GM Bo
On 19 Dec 2022 at 20:44, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
> If Elon hadn't started the EV mass production revolution, some one else
> surely would have. But it might have been several years later and might
> have been to weak the first time around to not be squashed by the ICE
> industry.
"Someone e
No, you are being difficult. It's obvious to me that folks on this forum
dislikes Telsa based fabricated information. Did anyone here look up facts
about the CEO's of Ford, GM, Nissan, Toyota, etc. before they bought a car? It
is sheer nonsense.
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 01:32:59 PM C
arski"
Cc: "paul dove"
Sent: 19-Dec-22 11:05:46
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS
How do you know they didn't need him?
I was under the impression that they approached him about investing.
Elon said Eberhard was wealthy but unwilling to risk his own money.
On Monday,
How do you know they didn't need him?
I was under the impression that they approached him about investing.
Elon said Eberhard was wealthy but unwilling to risk his own money.
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 12:23:36 PM CST, Lawrence Winiarski
wrote:
Still, if the the original Tesla guys
I would not characterize it in that way.
They were a year old when he invested ((2004). They didn't even have a product
yet. They just had an idea; the prototype was unveiled 2 years after Mush
became chairman of the board of directors (2006). Eberhard resigned as CEO a
year after that (2007).
Still, if he didn't need themwhy didn't he just start on his own? You are
avoiding the question.
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 11:05:51 AM PST, paul dove
wrote:
How do you know they didn't need him?
I was under the impression that they approached him about investing.
Elon said
Still, if the the original Tesla guys did nothing, had no product, were
worthless etc.then why did Musk bother with them in the first place?
Seems if I was such a "brilliant visionary" with a billion dollars why did he
he need them?
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 09:40:56 AM PST, paul
Why did Musk buy Tesla rather than create a car company on his own from scratch?
On Monday, December 19, 2022 at 08:26:25 AM PST, Michael Ross via EV
wrote:
"Musk isn't a real engineer, and without engineers, Tesla dies."
As a manufacturing, and electromrchanical product design enginee
"Musk isn't a real engineer, and without engineers, Tesla dies."
As a manufacturing, and electromrchanical product design engineer for 3
decades I am calling troll bullshit jealousy on part A of this quote.
EM is a fine engineer in many disciplines. Mechanical, software, aerospace,
rocket engine
You all need to change the name of this list from electric vehicle discussion
list to Tesla bashing discussion list.
Musk attended Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario, and in 1992 he
transferred to the University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, where he received
bachelor’s degrees in physics
On 19 Dec 2022 at 1:51, paul dove via EV wrote:
> you should stop with I actually never met Elon.
Now hold on just a minute here. Bill didn't say that.
Please reread his message to refresh your memory of what he really said.
I don't speak for Bill, but maybe he'll elaborate on what "I have
It’s a fact that people believe evil and pass it on much faster than anything
good. So, you should stop with I actually never met Elon.
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On Sunday, December 18, 2022, 5:32 PM, Bill Dube via EV
wrote:
You haven't actually met Elon, have you.
I have it on
On 18 Dec 2022 at 13:34, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> I think this is an example of the logical fallacies that permeate our
> society today.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I see nothing fallacious in such a
decision. Rational purchasing decisions take many factors into account.
> Musk may be a
On 18 Dec 2022 at 16:40, paul dove via EV wrote:
> Alleged mis-behavior
Musk is something of a cult figure, and a cult figure's followers will
always find ways to excuse or minimize their leader's anti-social and/or
inhumane behavior.
It's not a crime to be an gaping a-hole, so no "alleged
On 12/18/22 14:34, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
My wife is one of those who refuse to consider a Tesla vehicle based
upon his (miss) behavior...
I think this is an example of the logical fallacies that permeate our
society today.
Basically, it's an "Ad hominem" (to the man) argument (attackin
Have to? I am sure they did the math.
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 10:18:27 AM CST, Lawrence Rhodes via EV
wrote:
Too little too late. Now Tesla is going to have to add the clunky CCS
connectors to its network at considerable expense.
I use a Tesla tap. Tesla has a CHAdeMO adap
You haven't actually met Elon, have you.
I have it on good authority that Elon is a very very difficult man to
work for. This may be why he is so successful, perhaps.
What I read in the news lately about Elon seems completely in character
for him. I don't doubt anything I have read so far in
I, for one, applaud Elon Musk's business savvy - He came in at the right
time to purchase PayPal, Tesla and SpaceX, and those companies managed to
insulate themselves from him with layers of middle management so his bad
ideas didn't cause too many problems for them.
Elon didn't make Tesla, after a
Many highly gifted people are flawed (well aren’t we all?). We do need to
balance their contributions against their faults.
Consumer choice is an excellent method of ‘voting’ to encourage productive
behavior and discouraging harmful behavior. I am turned off from buying a Tesla
due to the way
Yes, hate for Musk seems to dominate. Here and elsewhere. Despite his
obvious skills and MANY successes...
My wife is one of those who refuse to consider a Tesla vehicle based
upon his (miss) behavior...
I think this is an example of the logical fallacies that permeate our
society today. Car
Alleged mis-behavior
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On Sunday, December 18, 2022, 9:08 AM, Jay Summet via EV
wrote:
On 12/17/22 11:21, Willie McKemie via EV wrote:
> Yes, hate for Musk seems to dominate. Here and elsewhere. Despite his
> obvious skills and MANY successes. I am confus
On 12/17/22 11:21, Willie McKemie via EV wrote:
Yes, hate for Musk seems to dominate. Here and elsewhere. Despite his
obvious skills and MANY successes. I am confused.
I think it's partially because he appears to be an asshole who creates a
toxic work environment.
I respect the technical
Many states require that it can be paid for directly with a credit card.
This is why at almost every public CCS you see a card reader.
On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 11:51 AM John Lussmyer via EV
wrote:
> On 12/17/2022 10:49 AM, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
> > Still, I think to qualify for
> > all, they hav
On 12/17/2022 10:49 AM, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
Still, I think to qualify for
all, they have to have a way to accept credit cards at the pedestal without
using a membership card or phone app. This means adding a card reader and
user interface.
Wouldn't that depend on if a free Phone-App paymen
Tesla is after free government subsidies offered to try to build more fast
charging stations. To qualify for most programs I've seen, they have to be
using a "Standard" and be non-discriminatory (open to all).
First step; they have been blocking all unsupported (salvage) Teslas from
their network
Seems cutting off your nose to spite your face applies. Lawrence Rhodes
On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 08:21:54 AM PST, Willie McKemie
wrote:
Yes, hate for Musk seems to dominate. Here and elsewhere. Despite his obvious
skills and MANY successes. I am confounded.
On Sat, Dec 17, 20
Yes, hate for Musk seems to dominate. Here and elsewhere. Despite his
obvious skills and MANY successes. I am confounded.
On Sat, Dec 17, 2022, 10:11 Lawrence Rhodes via EV
wrote:
> Somewhere painful? CCS would be more painful there. After using all three
> standards, Tesla is clearly superior
Too little too late. Now Tesla is going to have to add the clunky CCS
connectors to its network at considerable expense.
I use a Tesla tap. Tesla has a CHAdeMO adapter. Tesla could just require an
adapter, purchased at user expense, to access Superchargers. Shoudn't cost
more than $250. Lawr
Somewhere painful? CCS would be more painful there. After using all three
standards, Tesla is clearly superior and probably easier for conversions. That
said, hate for Musk causes people to buy $100k Mercedes rather than a clearly
superior Model S or Y. Lawrence Rhodes
-- next part
There's an old joke that a Camel is a horse designed by committee.
The CCS charging standard appears to have been designed by a committee
of Camels.
https://youtu.be/q_F7h5qcTJY
On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 16:53, Evan Tuer via EV wrote:
>
> I fully agree. Even the "Euro" Tesla high power connector
I fully agree. Even the "Euro" Tesla high power connector would have been
preferable to CCS combo-2. The engineers did a great job on both.
Tesla management could have capitalised on that 10 years ago, but did not.
On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 9:16 PM (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
> Having a lot of exper
Having a lot of experience with all 3 connectors and being an Electrical
Engineer, I have to say Tesla's connector is superior to CCS or CHAdeMO.
It's more rugged, cheaper to manufacture, and uses less space and
materials. If Tesla had "opened" its standard before CCS was ratified,
then maybe the
On 12/15/2022 6:12 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:
On 15 Dec 2022 at 11:23, Evan Tuer via EV wrote:
I know that they are trying to get the Tesla plug legislated as the US
standard but that's inevitably going to fail and seems rather bad faith.
Oh great. That's much like what GM did with the
On 15 Dec 2022 at 11:23, Evan Tuer via EV wrote:
> I know that they are trying to get the Tesla plug legislated as the US
> standard but that's inevitably going to fail and seems rather bad faith.
Oh great. That's much like what GM did with the EV1 inductive paddle. What
a dead end that was.
I'm sure most will know this but in Europe, and maybe some other parts of
the world, the V2 superchargers all have CCS connectors as well as Tesla's
"adapted" Type 2 plug (that's different from the US Tesla plug).
The V3 superchargers (and all Teslas since I think 2019) have gone CCS
only. Older c
There are a lot of older V1/V2 stations still out there, which they were
replacing with V3 (250kW), now they are rolling out V4 which is supposedly
capable of CCS. Maybe this is what they are calling a "magic dock".
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Tesla-to-build-the-world-s-biggest-CCS-compatible-S
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