Re: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-29 Thread Russell Standish
Well yes, I suppose there is a set of assumptions about persons that makes the argument work, the trouble is can we come up with a truly believable set of assumptions? (My comment also on Jesse Mazer's post also). This is good - it is delving deeper into Parfit's argument, exposing subtle traps w

Re: Ascension (was Re: Smullyan Shmullyan, give me a real example)

2006-05-29 Thread Tom Caylor
I meant that it makes intuitive sense that you *cannot* sequence effectively on all computable growing functions. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group,

Re: Ascension (was Re: Smullyan Shmullyan, give me a real example)

2006-05-29 Thread Tom Caylor
Bruno Marchal wrote: > Le 26-mai-06, à 19:35, Tom Caylor a écrit : > > > > Bruno, > > You are starting to perturb me! I guess that comes with the territory > > where you're leading us. > > You should not worry too much. I confess I am putting your mind in the > state of mathematicians before the

Re: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-29 Thread Saibal Mitra
There must exist a ''high level'' program that specifies a person in terms of qualia. These qualia are ultimately defined by the way neurons are connected, but you could also think of persons in terms of the high-level algorithm, instead of the ''machine language'' level algorithm specified by the

Re: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-29 Thread Jesse Mazer
Russell Standish wrote: > > >On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 07:15:33PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > I don't see why you are so sure about the necessity of passing through > > non-functional brain structures going from you to Napoleon. After all, > > there is a continuous sequence of intermed

Re: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-29 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 07:15:33PM +1000, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > I don't see why you are so sure about the necessity of passing through > non-functional brain structures going from you to Napoleon. After all, > there is a continuous sequence of intermediates between you and a > fertilized

RE: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-29 Thread John M
L'esprit de l'escalier: after reading my post below as an interesting list-post it occurred that I left out an important addage: I may feel as the same person (self) in my earlier life and situations - I do not IDENTIFY with 'it'. I know: "it is me" but not "I am like that". Not even: "I was like

RE: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-29 Thread John M
I read the remark of Russell and Satathis's reply with great interest. Russell wrote (among others): * > > ...The change into > > Napoleon is a difference in kind, not degree, as > >one would have to > > pass through non-functional brain structures in > >order to change from me to him.< < * refle

RE: Reasons and Persons

2006-05-29 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Russell Standish writes: > >Even though it is very unlikely to happen in reality, it is easy > > enough to imagine that the relatively minor physical/psychological > > changes that have occurred in the past day are exaggerated, so that > > instead of changing from me-yesterday to me-today, I chan