RE: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

2006-12-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Bruno Marchal writes: > > The analogous statements are: > > > > a1. umbrellas keep you dry > > a2. feeding the poor reduces their suffering > > > > We can agree on the definition of the words and on the facts asserted. > > If > > there is disagreement on the definition, for example if you were

Re: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

2006-12-18 Thread Tom Caylor
1Z wrote: > Tom Caylor wrote: > > > One thing Schaeffer did was remind us that the assumptions of nature > > and cause were foundational to modern science. > > > "More prevalent on the Christian Right is the Dominionist idea, shared > by Reconstructionists, that Christians alone are Biblically man

Re: computer pain

2006-12-18 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Le 17-déc.-06, à 21:11, Brent Meeker a écrit : > >> If consciousness is the creation of an inner narrative to be stored in >> long-term memory then there are levels of consciousness. The amoeba >> forms no memories and so is not conscious at all. A dog forms memories

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

2006-12-18 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: ... >> Moreover, I don't have to justify it in terms of other >> ethical principles or commandments from God: > > > With (a)comp, you have to NOT justify it in terms of God. With comp > (and God = +/- Plotinus'one) we could justify that any *action* made in > the name of

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Re: computer pain

2006-12-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 17-déc.-06, à 21:11, Brent Meeker a écrit : > If consciousness is the creation of an inner narrative to be stored in > long-term memory then there are levels of consciousness. The amoeba > forms no memories and so is not conscious at all. A dog forms memories > and even has some understan

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

2006-12-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 17-déc.-06, à 03:26, Stathis Papaioannou a écrit : > > Democratic system are more efficient to explore the political landscape and thus more efficient in probability to satisfy "soul's natural attraction" toward the "good". >>> >>> The soul's natural attraction

Re: computer pain

2006-12-18 Thread 1Z
Colin Geoffrey Hales wrote: > > > > Colin, > > > > You have described a way in which our perception may be more than can > > be explained by the sense data. However, how does this explain the > > response > > to novelty? I can come up with a plan or theory to deal with a novel > > situation > > i

RE: computer pain

2006-12-18 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Colin Hales writes: > > You have described a way in which our perception may be more than can > > be explained by the sense data. However, how does this explain the > > response > > to novelty? I can come up with a plan or theory to deal with a novel > > situation > > if it is simply described t