RE: computer pain

2006-12-26 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Brent Meeker writes: > My computer is completely dedicated to sending this email when I click > on "send". Actually, it probably isn't. You probably have a multi-tasking operating system which assigns priorities to different tasks (which is why it sometimes can be as annoying as a human b

Re: Evil ?

2006-12-26 Thread Brent Meeker
Tom Caylor wrote: On Dec 26, 7:53 pm, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tom Caylor wrote: > On Dec 26, 3:59 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> I regard the idea of "believing" to be unsound, because it is a >> pre-Freudian concept, which assumes that each person has

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases

2006-12-26 Thread Tom Caylor
On Dec 26, 7:53 pm, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tom Caylor wrote: > On Dec 26, 3:59 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> I regard the idea of "believing" to be unsound, because it is a >> pre-Freudian concept, which assumes that each person has a "single >> self"

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases

2006-12-26 Thread Brent Meeker
Tom Caylor wrote: On Dec 26, 3:59 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I regard the idea of "believing" to be unsound, because it is a pre-Freudian concept, which assumes that each person has a "single self" that maintains beliefs. A more realistic view is that each person is co

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

2006-12-26 Thread Tom Caylor
On Dec 26, 3:59 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I regard the idea of "believing" to be unsound, because it is a pre-Freudian concept, which assumes that each person has a "single self" that maintains beliefs. A more realistic view is that each person is constantly switching a

RE: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

2006-12-26 Thread Jef Allbright
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: But our main criterion for what to believe should be what is true, right? I find it fascinating, as well as consistent with some difficulties in communication about the most basic concepts, that Stathis would express this belief of his in the form of a tautology.

RE: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

2006-12-26 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:59:17 -0800 I regard the idea of "believing" to be unsound, because it is a pre-Freudian conc

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases

2006-12-26 Thread Brent Meeker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I regard the idea of "believing" to be unsound, because it is a pre-Freudian concept, which assumes that each person has a "single self" that maintains beliefs. A more realistic view is that each person is constantly switching among various different "ways to think" in

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

2006-12-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I regard the idea of "believing" to be unsound, because it is a pre-Freudian concept, which assumes that each person has a "single self" that maintains beliefs. A more realistic view is that each person is constantly switching among various different "ways to think" in which different assertions

Re: Evil ?

2006-12-26 Thread Brent Meeker
John Mikes wrote: Brent, you don't REALLY put strange (implied?) words in my mouth, but that gives the impression to the innocent byreader that I said anything like that. BM: "Did I claim that we had reached a complete inventory??" JM: No, you only said: "> It is only your opinion that the inv

Re: Evil ?

2006-12-26 Thread John Mikes
Brent, you don't REALLY put strange (implied?) words in my mouth, but that gives the impression to the innocent byreader that I said anything like that. BM: "Did I claim that we had reached a complete inventory??" JM: No, you only said: "> It is only your opinion that the inventory is *necessarily

Re: computer pain

2006-12-26 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Brent Meeker writes: > I agree with everything you say, and have long admired "The Hedonistic > Imperative". Motivation need not be linked to pain, and for that matter > it need not be linked to pleasure either. We can imagine an artificial > intelligence without

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

2006-12-26 Thread Tom Caylor
On Dec 26, 9:51 am, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Le 25-déc.-06, à 01:13, Tom Caylor a écrit : > The "crux" is that he is not symbolic... I respect your belief or faith, but I want to be frank, I have no evidences for the idea that "Jesus" is "truth", nor can I be sure of any cle

Re: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order & Belief)

2006-12-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 25-déc.-06, à 01:13, Tom Caylor a écrit : It looks like I might have timed out. Hopefully this doesn't appear two times. On Dec 24, 8:55 am, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Le 24-déc.-06, à 09:48, Tom Caylor a écrit : > Bruno, > ... > I believe the answer to the question, "Wha

RE: computer pain

2006-12-26 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
Brent Meeker writes: > I agree with everything you say, and have long admired "The Hedonistic > Imperative". Motivation need not be linked to pain, and for that matter > it need not be linked to pleasure either. We can imagine an artificial > intelligence without any emotions but completely

Re: computer pain

2006-12-26 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Hello Dave/Chris, I agree with everything you say, and have long admired "The Hedonistic Imperative". Motivation need not be linked to pain, and for that matter it need not be linked to pleasure either. We can imagine an artificial intelligence without any emotio