Re: Some thoughts from Grandma

On 13/07/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Brent, all that David is getting at is saying nothing "reflexively > > exists" without being observed. > > Observed in what sense? Consciously, by a conscious being? Or decoherred > into a quasi-classical state, as in QM? "Reflexive" wo

Re: Asifism revisited.

Brent Meeker skrev: Bruno Marchal wrote: Le 09-juil.-07, à 17:41, Torgny Tholerus a écrit : ... Our universe is the result of some set of rules. The interesting thing is to discover the specific rules that span our universe. Assuming comp, I don't

Re: Asifism revisited.

Le 12-juil.-07, à 18:43, Brent Meeker a écrit : > > Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> Le 09-juil.-07, à 17:41, Torgny Tholerus a écrit : > ... >> Our universe is the result of some set of rules. The interesting >> thing is to discover the specific rules that span our universe. >> >> >> >> >>

Re: Some thoughts from Grandma

Le 12-juil.-07, à 16:27, David Nyman a écrit : > > On 12/07/07, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I try to avoid the words like "reflexive" or "reflection" in informal >> talk, because it is a tricky technical terms >> I tend to agree with what Brent said. > > Yes, I ended up more or

Re: Some thoughts from Grandma

On 13/07/07, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I said in an earlier post that this amounted to a kind of solipsism of > > the One: IOW, the One would be justified in the view (if it had one!) > > that it was all that existed, and that everything was simply an aspect > > of itself. > >

Re: Some thoughts from Grandma

Le 13-juil.-07, à 17:02, David Nyman a écrit : > But since the One is not > what most people would consider a person (let alone a god), another > term would be better. I wonder what? I think you are trying to give a name to what is unnameable (unless you are not lobian; even lobian non-mac

Re: Some thoughts from Grandma

On 13/07/07, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think you are trying to give a name to what is unnameable (unless you > are not lobian; even lobian non-machine cannot name it). Perish the thought. But I was referring to 'first person primacy', not 'the One'. Maybe something like the

Re: Some thoughts from Grandma

Is this better? "One may say neither that the one mind is prior and all dharmas posterior nor that all dharmas are prior and the one mind posterior If one derives all dharmas from the one mind, this is a vertical relationship. If the mind all at once contains all dharmas, this is a horizontal

Re: Asifism revisited.

Torgny Tholerus wrote: > Brent Meeker skrev: >> Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> Le 09-juil.-07, à 17:41, Torgny Tholerus a écrit : >>> >> ... >> >>> Our universe is the result of some set of rules. The interesting >>> thing is to discover the specific rules that span our universe. >

Re: Asifism revisited.

Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Le 12-juil.-07, à 18:43, Brent Meeker a écrit : > >> Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> Le 09-juil.-07, à 17:41, Torgny Tholerus a écrit : >> ... >>> Our universe is the result of some set of rules. The interesting >>> thing is to discover the specific rules that span

Re: Some thoughts from Grandma

Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Le 12-juil.-07, à 16:27, David Nyman a écrit : > >> On 12/07/07, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> I try to avoid the words like "reflexive" or "reflection" in informal >>> talk, because it is a tricky technical terms >>> I tend to agree with what Brent sai

A Natural Axiomatization of Church's Thesis

Apropos much discussion on this list, a new paper is available at Abstract: The Abstract State Machine Thesis asserts that every classical algorithm is behaviorally equivalent to an abstract state machine. This thesis has been shown to follo

Re: Asifism revisited.

Brent Meeker skrev: > Torgny Tholerus wrote: >> >> That is exactly what I wanted to say. You don't need to have a complete >> description of arithmetic. Our universe can be described by doing a >> number of computations from a finite set of rules. (To get to the >> current view of our universe