Re: Can mind be a computation if physics is fundamental?

2009-08-07 Thread ronaldheld
As a formally trained Physicist, what do I accept? that Physics is well represented mathematically? That the Multiverse is composed of mathematical structures some of which represent physical laws? Or something else? Ronald On Aug 6, 10:23 pm, Brent Me

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-07 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 11:35 -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: > But as Bertrand Russell, David Hume and many mystics have pointed out you can > wake up and > realize there is consciousness but the "I" that possesses it is a fiction. There are also many common reports of what is colloquially called "e

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-07 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: > Very important post, Peter. We are progressing. > > > On 06 Aug 2009, at 19:09, 1Z wrote: > >> >> >> On 31 July, 18:55, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 31 Jul 2009, at 18:05, 1Z wrote: >>> >>> >>> If it isn;t RITSIAR, it cannot be generating me. Mathematical proofs

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 07 Aug 2009, at 10:09, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Hi, > > 2009/8/7 Torgny Tholerus : >> >> Bruno Marchal skrev: >>> >>> Then it is not "RITSIAR" in the sense of the discussion with David. >>> Real in the sense that "I" am real. is ambiguous. >>> Either the "I" refers to my first person, and t

Re: Dreams and Machines

2009-08-07 Thread 1Z
On 22 July, 17:15, David Nyman wrote: > Dinna fash yursel laddie, trnaslation: Faut pas te facher. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to eve

Re: The seven step series

2009-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Well, given that nobody dare to ask question, I will play the role of the idiot myself. On 30 Jul 2009, at 21:22, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > Exercise: > > > 1) how many functions and what are they, from the set {0, 1} to > himself. What are the functions from {0, 1) to {0, 1}? > > Solut

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-07 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Hi, 2009/8/7 Torgny Tholerus : > > Bruno Marchal skrev: >> >> Then it is not "RITSIAR" in the sense of the discussion with David. >> Real in the sense that "I" am real. is ambiguous. >> Either the "I" refers to my first person, and then I have ontological >> certainty. >> As I said on FOR, I can

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-07 Thread Torgny Tholerus
Bruno Marchal skrev: > > Then it is not "RITSIAR" in the sense of the discussion with David. > Real in the sense that "I" am real. is ambiguous. > Either the "I" refers to my first person, and then I have ontological > certainty. > As I said on FOR, I can conceive that I wake up and realize t

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Very important post, Peter. We are progressing. On 06 Aug 2009, at 19:09, 1Z wrote: > > > > On 31 July, 18:55, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> On 31 Jul 2009, at 18:05, 1Z wrote: >> >> >> >>> If it isn;t RITSIAR, it cannot be generating me. Mathematical >>> proofs only prove mathematical "existence",