Re: UDA query

2010-01-03 Thread Brent Meeker
We're not circling around it.  Bruno asserts it.  But then we need to explain the things that were formerly explained by physical existence - e.g. intersubjective agreement about a physical world, the dependence of thought on brains, etc. Brent Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Folks, I wou

Re: UDA query

2010-01-03 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Folks, I would like to append a question that we all seem to circle around: Why do we even need to have a physical existance at all? Why isn't Platonic existence sufficient? Onward! Stephen - Original Message - From: "Nick Prince" To: "Everything List" Sent: Sunday, January

Re: UDA query

2010-01-03 Thread Nick Prince
Stathis wrote >Yes, but a critic could still say that no conscious observer could be >conjured up by a computation unless the computation is physically >implemented. At least at first glance that seems to be the case: the >brain is required for consciousness, since if the brain is destroyed >consc

Re: UDA query

2010-01-03 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2010/1/4 Nick Prince : Thank you Stathis This has helped move me on a bit. “The hardwareless computer” has been giving me some real problems.  Let me replay my understanding of what you said back just to check it is on the right lines. As a possible examp

Re: UDA query

2010-01-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2010/1/4 Nick Prince : > Thank you Stathis > This has helped move me on a bit. “The hardwareless computer” has been > giving me some real problems.  Let me replay my understanding of what > you said back just to check it is on the right lines. > As a possible example of one of these “lurking comput

Re: UDA query

2010-01-03 Thread Nick Prince
Thank you Stathis This has helped move me on a bit. “The hardwareless computer” has been giving me some real problems. Let me replay my understanding of what you said back just to check it is on the right lines. As a possible example of one of these “lurking computations” we could consider the one

Re: UDA query

2010-01-03 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2010/1/3 Nick Prince : > HI Bruno > Thank you so much for your answers to my queries so far.  I really > need to do some more thinking about all that you have said so far and > to understand why I am having difficulty replacing a real physical > universal machine existing in the future (like Tipler