Re: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-17 Thread David Nyman
On 17 February 2010 02:08, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: I'm not sure in what sense you mean gratuitous. In a sense it is gratuitous to describe anything - hence the new catch-phrase, It is what it is. If one is just a different description of the other then they have the same

Re: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-17 Thread David Nyman
On 17 February 2010 07:28, Diego Caleiro diegocale...@gmail.com wrote: You guys should Read Chalmers: Philosophy of Mind, Classical and contemporary Readings and Philosophy and the mirror of nature. Richard Rorty In particular The Concepts of Counsciousness By Ned Block and Mental

Re: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-17 Thread David Nyman
On 17 February 2010 02:39, Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: My intuition is that once we have a really good 3-p theory, 1-p will seem like a kind of shorthand way of speaking about brain processes. That doesn't mean you questions will be answered. It will be like Bertrand

Re: On the computability of consciousness

2010-02-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Feb 2010, at 19:07, David Nyman wrote: Is consciousness - i.e. the actual first- person experience itself - literally uncomputable from any third- person perspective? There is an ambiguity in you phrasing. I will proceed like I always do, by interpreting your term favorably,

RE: problem of size '10

2010-02-17 Thread Jack Mallah
--- On Mon, 2/15/10, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On reading the first page of your paper a thought occurred to me. What actually happens in the case of progressive Alzheimer’s disease is a bit different from the idea that I get from the discussion. Hi Stephen. Certainly,