Re: A comment on Mauldin's paper “Computation and Consciousness”

2011-01-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Jan 2011, at 07:41, Rex Allen wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Rex, Well here I disagree (with Wikipedia, not with Turing, although he is responsible for this widespread misconception). Well, I'll buy that, I reckon. Though the usage of

Re: A comment on Mauldin's paper “Computation and Consciousness”

2011-01-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Jan 2011, at 08:14, Brent Meeker wrote: On 1/29/2011 10:41 PM, Rex Allen wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Rex, Well here I disagree (with Wikipedia, not with Turing, although he is responsible for this widespread misconception).

Re: Solution to the OM problem

2011-01-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
Saibal, You (still?) miss the first person indeterminacy. It leads to mathematicalism, even arithmeticalism, but it put self-referential constraints on how the physical realities, appaers actually how the coupling consciousness/realities (a sort of Galois connection) arise from

Re: A comment on Mauldin's paper “Computation and Consciousness”

2011-01-30 Thread 1Z
On Jan 25, 9:04 am, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Dear Bruno and Friends,     While we are considering the idea of “causal efficacy” here and not hidden variable theories, the fact that it has been experimentally verified that Nature violates the principle Locality.

Re: A comment on Mauldin's paper “Computation and Consciousness”

2011-01-30 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi 1Z, I would agree with you but we are not considering an FAPP rule of thumb for everyday situations, we are considering ontological questions. If our conjectures and assumptions are contraindicated by experimental evidence, should that evidence not be relevant to hypostases regarding

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-01-30 Thread Colin Hales
Interleaved... John Mikes wrote: Hi, Colin, I enjoyed your diatribe. (From time to time I accept some of your ideas and even include them into my ways of thinking - which may be a praise or a threat). Question: Could you briefly identify your usage of science - even scientist? The

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-01-30 Thread Colin Hales
Interleaved ... Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Jan 2011, at 06:27, ColinHales wrote: Now say humans are conscious? Prove it. To which I say COMP is true? Prove it Been around this loop many times. :-) COMP is a solution of x - ~Bx, like consciousness, and consistency. If COMP is true, it