Re: A comment on Mauldin's paper “Computation and Consciousness”

2011-02-01 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, Does your reasoning allow for the chance that Tegmark's paper is rubbish? Does your reality allow for these sorts of realities? http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/01/quantum-birds/ ? http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/02/quantum-photosynthesis/ ? Birds eye’s are a

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-01 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 3:00 PM, ColinHales col.ha...@gmail.com wrote: There seems to be a profound, institutionalized failure within scientists that results, for whatever reason, in an inability to distinguish between the actual natural world and a (mathematical) model of its behaviour, as

Re: A comment on Mauldin's paper “Computation and Consciousness”

2011-02-01 Thread David Shipman
So there are non-local effects on the brain - but these effects are random and aren't distinguishable from local quantum randomness. To the extent that the human brain is resistant to local quantum randomness, it is equally resistant to non-local quantum randomness. When the alien scientist

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 Feb 2011, at 07:51, Colin Hales wrote: Hi Bruno, I have been pondering this issue a bit and I am intrigued about how you regard the problem space we inhabit. When you say things like ... Are you aware that If comp is true, that is if I am a machine ... I cannot fathom how you ever

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-01 Thread John Mikes
Colin, thanks for reflecting to my post. You asked: when does observation and criticism bicome diatribe? I think when it indulges in topical/symbolic applications what the reader cannot comprehend well. Or: when the reader reflects to a discussion in a language he is not sufficiently familiar

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-01 Thread David Nyman
On 1 February 2011 22:53, Colin Hales c.ha...@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au wrote: Colin Do forgive me for butting in on an exchange I sometimes only dimly follow, but I think I may possibly see a misunderstanding on your part about what Bruno actually claims about comp (forgive me, both of you, if I'm

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-01 Thread Colin Hales
Hi David, All comments appreciated. In Rather, he is saying that IF computational science is assumed (e.g. by proponents of CTM) to be the correct mind-body theory, THEN the appearance of the body (and consequently the rest of matter/energy) must emerge as part of the same theory It's

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-01 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Colin Hales c.ha...@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au wrote: In relation to Stathis' request: If you model a natural environment presenting some problem to a human within that environment, the simulated human will arrive at the same solution as the real human would have.

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-01 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/1/2011 11:11 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Colin Hales c.ha...@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au wrote: In relation to Stathis' request: If you model a natural environment presenting some problem to a human within that environment, the simulated human will arrive