Re: “Markov's theorem

2012-05-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2012/5/20 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net On 5/20/2012 12:24 AM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 01:17:18PM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote: Dear Bruno, I finally found a good and accessible paperhttp://www.google.com/**

Re: Simple question

2012-05-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 20, 1:15 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: You only split when some quantum event gets amplified to make a macroscopic, i.e. quasi-classical, difference.  Otherwise Craig Weinberg is a somewhat fuzzy operator projecting onto a lot of slight different, but classically

Re: “Markov's theorem

2012-05-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Stephen, I have a more general question. I am not a mathematician and I do not quite understand the relationship between mathematics and the world that surround me. It seems to me that your writing implies that there is the intimate connections between mathematics and the Universe. Could

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/20/2012 6:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In Bruno's theory, the physical world is not computed by an algorithm, the physical world is the limit of all computations going throught your current state... what is computable is your current state, an infinity of computations goes through it.

Re: “Markov's theorem

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/20/2012 9:39 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Stephen, I have a more general question. I am not a mathematician and I do not quite understand the relationship between mathematics and the world that surround me. Dear Evgenii, I am just a person with insatiable curiosity and the strange

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2012/5/20 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net On 5/20/2012 6:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In Bruno's theory, the physical world is not computed by an algorithm, the physical world is the limit of all computations going throught your current state... what is computable is your current

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 May 2012, at 19:46, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 18, 2:56 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 May 2012, at 23:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: On May 17, 2:04 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Sense and matter is what I search an explanation for. You start at the

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-20 Thread John Clark
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: All free will means is any change made because you wanted to. That would be fine except I know that is NOT all you believe free will means because I know you would not be happy about a calculator having free will, but

Re: “Markov's theorem

2012-05-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 May 2012, at 19:03, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 9:39 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Stephen, I have a more general question. I am not a mathematician and I do not quite understand the relationship between mathematics and the world that surround me. Dear Evgenii, I am just

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread meekerdb
On 5/20/2012 9:27 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 6:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In Bruno's theory, the physical world is not computed by an algorithm, the physical world is the limit of all computations going throught your current state... what is computable is your current state,

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread meekerdb
On 5/20/2012 10:03 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 3) Is there at least one physical system running the computations? No, if the UDA is correct... well technically there still could be a primitive physical universe, but you could not use it to correctly predict your next moment, nor what you

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/20/2012 1:03 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/20 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net On 5/20/2012 6:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In Bruno's theory, the physical world is not computed by an algorithm, the physical world is the limit of all

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/20/2012 3:06 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 9:27 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 6:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: In Bruno's theory, the physical world is not computed by an algorithm, the physical world is the limit of all computations going throught your current state...

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread meekerdb
On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of numbers that is equivalent our universe there must exist a computation of the homomorphies between all possible 4-manifolds. Why? Markov theorem tells us that no such homomorphy

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of numbers that is equivalent our universe there must exist a computation of the homomorphies between all possible 4-manifolds. Why? Hi Brent,

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/20/2012 7:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of numbers that is equivalent our universe there must exist a computation of the homomorphies

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread meekerdb
On 5/20/2012 4:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of numbers that is equivalent our universe there must exist a computation of the homomorphies between

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread meekerdb
On 5/20/2012 4:25 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: I need to add a remark here. We cannot just assume one particular 4-manifold as the one we exist on/in. We have to consider the entire ensemble of them to even ask coherent questions about the one we are in. But we don't have to assume the

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/20/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of numbers that is equivalent our universe there must exist a

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread meekerdb
On 5/20/2012 6:53 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of numbers that

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread meekerdb
On 5/20/2012 6:53 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: The result is an exhaustive classification of compact 4-mainifolds. The absence of such a classification neither prevents nor entails the existence of the manifolds. But you fail to see that without the means to define the manifolds, there is

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-20 Thread Craig Weinberg
On May 20, 1:49 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: All free will means is any change made because you wanted to. That would be fine except I know that is NOT all you believe free will means because I know

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/20/2012 10:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 6:53 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/20/2012 10:26 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 6:53 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: The result is an exhaustive classification of compact 4-mainifolds. The absence of such a classification neither prevents nor entails the existence of the manifolds. But you fail to see that without the

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread meekerdb
On 5/20/2012 8:15 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 10:17 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 6:53 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 8:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:13 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-20 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2012/5/21 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net On 5/20/2012 4:39 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 5/20/2012 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: My point is that for there to exist an a priori given string of numbers that is equivalent our universe there must exist a computation of the homomorphies