Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-30 Thread Stephen P. King
On 6/30/2012 9:56 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 5:38 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 6/30/2012 7:35 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 2:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: It seems to me that with functionalism a human identity cannot necessarily be different from a any sufficiently complex functiona

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-30 Thread meekerdb
On 6/30/2012 5:38 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 6/30/2012 7:35 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 2:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: It seems to me that with functionalism a human identity cannot necessarily be different from a any sufficiently complex functional interaction. Something like a war, f

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-30 Thread Stephen P. King
On 6/30/2012 7:35 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 6/30/2012 2:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: It seems to me that with functionalism a human identity cannot necessarily be different from a any sufficiently complex functional interaction. Something like a war, for instance involves lots of dynamic i/o, 'pr

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-30 Thread meekerdb
On 6/30/2012 2:52 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: It seems to me that with functionalism a human identity cannot necessarily be different from a any sufficiently complex functional interaction. Something like a war, for instance involves lots of dynamic i/o, 'processing', etc. My question then is: C

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-30 Thread Craig Weinberg
It seems to me that with functionalism a human identity cannot necessarily be different from a any sufficiently complex functional interaction. Something like a war, for instance involves lots of dynamic i/o, 'processing', etc. My question then is: Can you teleport the American Civil War to the

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-06-30 Thread meekerdb
On 6/30/2012 12:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I think that you have mentioned that mechanism is incompatible with materialism. How this follows then? Because concerning computation and emulation (exact simulation) all universal system are equi

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-30 Thread meekerdb
On 6/30/2012 12:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Jun 2012, at 21:20, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> wrote: > You said yourself that the first person cannot be defined. How could we verify that prediction? Except by feeling to be one

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-06-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 30 Jun 2012, at 18:44, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 30.06.2012 11:14 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 29 Jun 2012, at 20:01, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.04.2012 11:11 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 10 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Hence if you know something

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-30 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> As I said before if you really had complete information then you could >> make 2 predictions: >> 1) I Bruno Marchal will write in my diary "I Bruno Marchal am now in >> Washington and only Washington". >> 2) I Bruno Marchal will write in my diary "I B

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-06-30 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 30.06.2012 11:14 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 29 Jun 2012, at 20:01, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.04.2012 11:11 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 10 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Hence if you know something in Internet or in the written form, I would apprec

Re: what is mechanism?

2012-06-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Jun 2012, at 20:01, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.04.2012 11:11 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 10 Apr 2012, at 21:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Hence if you know something in Internet or in the written form, I would appreciate your advice. The best about 20 pages, not too litt

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 29 Jun 2012, at 21:20, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 Bruno Marchal wrote: > You said yourself that the first person cannot be defined. How could we verify that prediction? Except by feeling to be one of the W and M reconstituted person. And from their points of viex, the pr