Re: The duplicators and the restorers

2013-02-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:09:40 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > "1. Do you consider yourself to have experienced the torture in the case > of > > the Restorers, even though you no longer remember it? If not, why not." >

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-02-12 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
After proving Euler's identity during a lecture, Benjamin Peirce, a noted American 19th-century philosopher, mathematician, and professor at Harvard University, stated that "it is absolutely paradoxical; we cannot understand it, and we don't know what it means, but we have proved it, and therefor

Re: The duplicators and the restorers

2013-02-12 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > Consider the following thought experiment, called "The Duplicators": > > At 1:00 PM tomorrow, you will be abducted by aliens. The aliens will tell > you not to worry, that you won't be harmed but they wish to conduct some > experiments on the

Re: The duplicators and the restorers

2013-02-12 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > "1. Do you consider yourself to have experienced the torture in the case of > the Restorers, even though you no longer remember it? If not, why not." > > Yes > > > "2. If yes, do you consider yourself to have experienced the torture in the

Re: Does p make sense?

2013-02-12 Thread meekerdb
On 2/12/2013 5:28 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:05:37AM -0800, Craig Weinberg wrote: When we talk about a Bp, relating to consciousness is that we are making an assumption about what a proposition is. In fact, if we look closely, a proposition can only be another level o

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-12 Thread meekerdb
On 2/12/2013 4:53 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:49:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 2/12/2013 2:40 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: I don't know what sort of computer your typed you post on but by 1997 standards it is almost certainly a supercomputer, pro

Re: Does p make sense?

2013-02-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 8:28:24 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:05:37AM -0800, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > When we talk about a Bp, relating to consciousness is that we are making > an > > assumption about what a proposition is. In fact, if we look closely,

Re: Does p make sense?

2013-02-12 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:05:37AM -0800, Craig Weinberg wrote: > When we talk about a Bp, relating to consciousness is that we are making an > assumption about what a proposition is. In fact, if we look closely, a > proposition can only be another level of B. p is really nothing but a group > o

Re: The duplicators and the restorers

2013-02-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
"1. Do you consider yourself to have experienced the torture in the case of the Restorers, even though you no longer remember it? If not, why not." Yes "2. If yes, do you consider yourself to have experienced the torture in the case of the Duplicators? If yes, please explain, if not, please e

The duplicators and the restorers

2013-02-12 Thread Jason Resch
Consider the following thought experiment, called "The Duplicators": At 1:00 PM tomorrow, you will be abducted by aliens. The aliens will tell you not to worry, that you won't be harmed but they wish to conduct some experiments on the subject of pain, which is unknown to them. These aliens possess

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:49:04 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 2/12/2013 2:40 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > I don't know what sort of computer your typed you post on but by 1997 >> standards it is almost certainly a supercomputer, probably the most >> powerful supercomputer in the world.

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-12 Thread meekerdb
On 2/12/2013 2:40 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: I don't know what sort of computer your typed you post on but by 1997 standards it is almost certainly a supercomputer, probably the most powerful supercomputer in the world. I'll wager it would take you less than five minutes to find and

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi John, On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 7:53 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> So if Watson isn't intelligent he's something better than intelligent. >> >> > It is competent in jeopardy. >> > > And the enormously impressive thing about Watson is that unlike Ch

Does p make sense?

2013-02-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
When we talk about a Bp, relating to consciousness is that we are making an assumption about what a proposition is. In fact, if we look closely, a proposition can only be another level of B. p is really nothing but a group of sub-personal Beliefs (logarithmically nested as B^n) which we are arb

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-12 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> So if Watson isn't intelligent he's something better than intelligent. > > > It is competent in jeopardy. > And the enormously impressive thing about Watson is that unlike Chess Jeopardy is not a specialized game, you could get asked about anything

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-02-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2013, at 20:12, meekerdb wrote: On 2/11/2013 8:52 AM, John Clark wrote: And you keep thinking there is such a thing as "THE" first person view, and that might be a OK approximation in a world without duplicating machines but not in a world that has them; there is only A first

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-02-12 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
Euler Identity within a new quantum theory. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=_XZGOGvuBlI&feature=endscreen ==. On Feb 12, 7:35 am, "socra...@bezeqint.net" wrote: >   How to understand Vacuum: T=0K ? > ==. > Physics (classical + quantum) lives under shadow of Vacuum. > I want throw light

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-02-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2013, at 20:02, meekerdb wrote: On 2/11/2013 8:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Feb 2013, at 21:30, meekerdb wrote: On 2/10/2013 9:33 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Feb 2013, at 11:13, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Why? And why do you think science has made no progress since

Re: How can intelligence be physical ?

2013-02-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2013, at 18:30, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote > The Watson program is competent, but I doubt it makes sense to say it is intelligent. Just like with "God" and "atheist" it looks like we're back at the tired old game of redefining wor

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

2013-02-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Feb 2013, at 17:52, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> If Bob is behind a door that will reveal Moscow and Bill is behind a door that will reveal Washington then the probability that Bob and Bill will open a door and see Moscow and Washingt

Re: The Plant Teachers

2013-02-12 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Monday, February 11, 2013 8:24:37 AM UTC-5, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > wrote: > >> >> >> >> Didn't think you did, as your statements mimic those of art critics who >> can drop some big names but otherwise have little to do with the dai

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-02-12 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
On Feb 12, 8:41 am, meekerdb wrote: > On 2/11/2013 10:15 PM, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: > > > ' global conservation of energy can't even be defined for > > the universe ' > > Brent > > > It means that global conservation of energy is infinite . > > No, it means it's undefined - there's no uniq